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SWEDEN EXPLAINED

How to argue without losing your Swedish friends

Italians get worked up when discussing pasta sauces. The Brits and French have arguments for fun. But in Sweden, raising your voice is a bit like taking a glass and smashing it onto the floor. Here is The Local's guide to the delicate art of having a discussion with a Swede.

How to argue without losing your Swedish friends
Expand and reinforce, don't contradict. Photo: Simon Paulin/imagebank.sweden.se

If you’re British or French, debate is almost a national sport. People play ‘Devil’s advocate’ (or l’avocat du diable) just to stoke up the passion in the room. If someone loses self control and raises their voice a bit, that’s OK, at least between friends. It’s a sign of engagement, a sign that they care.  

In reserved, conflict-shy Sweden, however, things are very different. 

You only have to compare the angry jeering in the UK’s Houses of Parliament to the staid Swedish party leader debates on TV,  or seminars at Swedish universities with the way UK students are trained to to argue for positions they disagree with. You could also study Sweden’s softly spoken court lawyers with their bombastic, adversarial UK and US equivalents. 

Swedish TV debates are much quieter than their UK equivalents. Photo: Robin Bäckman/TT

Swedes hate to express disagreement and after living here for over a decade, I feel that they don’t, or perhaps can’t, separate intellectual disagreements from actual personal conflict (as I instinctively would as a Brit). For a Swede a disagreement is a disagreement, and therefore unpleasant, no matter what it is about. 

There’s also less of a tradition of argument as competitive sport. There are no winners once a debate gets heated. People just feel upset. The Norwegian writer Karl Ove Knausgård describes going to bed after a boozy supper with literary Swedes thinking he’d had a great evening, only to wake to find his hosts feared relations had been irreparably broken. 

Like many foreigners living in Sweden, the writer Karl Ove Knausgård has struggled with Sweden’s consensus culture. Photo: Malin Hoelstad/SvD/TT

The positive aspects of all this can be seen in the lower levels of hypocrisy in Swedish national life. A figure like former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is so steeped in Oxbridge debating culture that he can breezily dash off articles both for and against leaving the European Union. In Sweden, this would be almost unfeasible. 

So how should you approach holding discussions with a Swede? 

1. Know the consensus

Swedes hate people talking about it, but as a foreigner in Sweden it’s fairly clear that the fabled ‘opinion corridor’, or åsiktskorridoren, is no myth. There is a span of acceptable opinions and people start to feel uncomfortable if you move outside them.

For big topics, it’s quite easy to learn where the boundaries lie. 

For the vast majority of Swedes, whether on the left or right, you probably can’t get away with, for example, expressing your admiration of former US President Donald Trump, arguing that it’s bad for children to go to daycare before they’re three, arguing that children don’t need bicycle helmets, or that it’s OK to drink moderate amounts of alcohol when pregnant. For reasons I don’t fully understand, it’s also appears unacceptable to argue that the state alcohol monopoly Systembolaget has a woefully poor selection of wine. At least, no one will agree with you if you do. 

Once you know where the boundaries lie, don’t cross them. People won’t think you’re controversial or interesting, they’ll think you’re an ass.   

As it happens, the corridor can shift. A decade ago, it was absolutely not OK to discuss setting concrete limits for immigration or the ethnicity of criminals. In 2015, that dramatically changed, with politicians of both left and right suddenly competing to tighten up border controls, and the media pumping out stories of sexual harassment by asylum seekers.  

‘Systemet’ is your friend. Photo: Geir Olsen/NTB/TT

2. Let the Swede lead

The demand for consensus is not limited to the big political issues, but runs deep into things like house decoration, music taste, food and films. Swedes have a natural instinct for knowing what any group thinks about any topic, and assessing what the bounds of opinion are likely to be. This is tricky for a newcomer to grasp, so the best advice is to let the Swede lead. Wait until you have a good idea about what the people you’re with think before storming in with your own opinions. 

3. Expand and reinforce, don’t contradict

Say the discussion gets into what a horrific let-down the last series of Game of Thrones was, and you thought it was well-written, with imaginative plot twists and a satisfying end. Don’t contradict your companions head-on. Instead think of something you also felt was a weakness, or add details and new observations to the discussion of the shortcomings advanced by others in your group. 

Conversation in Sweden is about arriving at a richer, more nuanced picture of what it is assumed everyone present agrees to be the case, not deciding who or what is right and wrong.

Swedes pride themselves on their ability to ask searching questions, and you can see why, as it is one of the best ways to safely engage in discussions when you disagree with the majority position. Ask your friends what they thought was the worst let-down, or why it is that this or that plot decision was so wrong-headed. 

You had better keep your opinions about Daenerys Targaryen to yourself. Photo: HBO

4. Don’t interrupt (or do so very sparingly) 

Conversation in Sweden doesn’t have the same cut and thrust as it does in the UK and some other countries, where it is more common to interrupt, talk over others, or slip in quick details or additional facts that support or contradict what the speaker is saying.

In Sweden, interrupting others is seen as rude, and talking over them ruder still, particularly if you raise your voice to do so. If you’ve ever been to a Swedish work leaving do, or wedding, you’ll have seen how everyone in turn stands up to make a short speech. Imagine group conversation as a less formal version of the same thing. 

When someone is speaking, let them finish. The group will then naturally look around for the next speaker, which is your time to make your contribution. 

This means of course that when you do speak, you shouldn’t go on too long, as there’s no way for your companions to shut you up without being rude. Swedes have a natural sense of how much social space each member of a group is getting and will try to make sure it’s as evenly shared as possible. 

5. Don’t raise your voice 

It’s perhaps telling that the word skrika in Swedish doesn’t distinguish between ‘shouting’, ‘screaming’ and ‘shrieking’. There’s a level of raised voice which Swedes experience as aggressive which some other cultures would see as only a sign of mild agitation. If you raise your voice during a discussion, it’s almost as if you are banging your hands on the table, so if you can possibly keep yourself under control, don’t do it.

If you actually are angry and want to actively offend or put down another person, it’s still wrong to raise your voice. It is socially acceptable in Sweden to be quite direct and even rather unpleasant (more so indeed, than in the UK, where it is bad form to drop the pretence of bonhomie and having a ‘sense of humour’).

If you raise your voice, you lose. A Brit or American might secretly congratulate someone who stands up and loudly but brilliantly tears strips off someone whose behaviour has been out of order. A Swede would be crippled with embarrassment. Swedes have a reputation for passive aggressiveness for a reason. 

6. Don’t fall back on lazy stereotypes 

Perhaps the best way to annoy a Swede as a foreigner is to bang on incessantly about the “opinion corridor” and “Swedish passive aggressiveness”. Don’t do it.

Some of the least reserved people I know are Swedish. I know Swedes who revel in controversy, compulsively interrupt others, and get overly heated and shouty at the drop of a hat. I do feel though, that Sweden isn’t perhaps the easiest country for them to live in. 

Ironically, in the part of Malmö I live in, where nearly half the population voted for the Left parties in the last election, talking about the opinion corridor is itself outside the opinion corridor.

So if you don’t want people to think you’re a closet Nazi, pretend it doesn’t exist. Everybody else does. 

Member comments

  1. What a great article! If I’d just known 4 years ago, it would save me a lot of troubles ?? I have failed in every ‘not-to-do’
    Now I understand why my husband thinks that when I talk to my family, we are fighting (we raise the voices, we contradict, we interrupt and we fall on old layzy stereotyps by default ???)

  2. Great article. So very true. I am one of those swedes that dont fit in so moved with my now husband to england (his homeland) 16 years ago. He definatley did not fit in ?

  3. Brilliant article from a Brit with a Swedish wife we found reading it together hilarious and had sooooo many personal experiences and examples of the points raised!

  4. This is so very true. Been here 8,5 years and as a Canadian it drove me insane being called “difficult” because it’s in our nature to state honest opinions that isn’t personal. Been taking medication for depression and avoiding real and deep conversations with Swedes, also spending half my time in Greece these days because I can’t completely remove myself from Sweden as I have a daughter with a Swede who thinks I’m an asshole for being blunt. Hence, we divorced.
    Good luck to y’all who finds this difficult having to “keep our mouths shut.”

  5. And all this from a society touting transparency as a virtue… Hiding behind silence transgresses into cruelty and I feel it stems from nearly two centuries of neutrality: if Sweden had known wars as all her neighbours have, and true suffering – not simply psychological angst (quite a bit of it self-created), passive-aggressive behaviour would weigh in very lightly into this make-believe mindset.

  6. Agree with fellow Canadian,marriage to Swede did not end in divorce and survived
    Nearly 30 years but over the course
    Of it I was called different name in swedish,luckily we were in Canada
    So I did not took offence,and took it with a grin I think if it was in Sweden it could take a different course.

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READER INSIGHTS

‘We all cheer each other on’: How we made friends in Sweden

Sweden is often rated as a difficult country to make friends in. We asked those who've been there, done that – or in other words, The Local's readers – how they met their closest friends in Sweden.

'We all cheer each other on': How we made friends in Sweden

“They are so supportive, caring and understanding,” said Erin Swoverland, a reader from the US, about her friends. “We all listen, lift each other up and cheer each other on. I feel so incredibly lucky to have such amazing women in my corner.”

She met most of them at a gym in Stockholm. 

“I attended a Friday training class for women and the rest is history. I will say I think it being a small, independent gym made all the difference as we actually spoke to each other. I haven’t had the same interactions at larger chains,” she said.

Erin was one of dozens of readers who responded to The Local’s question about how they found their friends in Sweden, sparked by a recent survey which showed that 13 percent of foreigners lack a close friend (double the number of Swedes who said the same thing).

A lot of readers alluded to the part-truth, part-stereotype that Swedes tend to compartmentalise their lives and prefer organised fun over spontaneous activities, and one of the classic strategies that always comes up in these discussions is to join some kind of club or society.

The benefit of “organised fun” is that Sweden has a vibrant föreningsliv (literally “association life”), with many people involved in for example their local football club, gaming hub, gardening society, trade union, hiking club, or even just being on the board of their housing association.

“As I always liked cycling, running, badminton, indoor climbing and a few other sports, I found groups on Meetup for such activities. This helped me meet like-minded people. Soon afterwards, some of us started to hang out together for beers or pizzas etc. Thanks to these people we started to invite other people to our gatherings. Finally today, I have a large network of very interesting and close friends (immigrants as well as Swedish friends). When I look back, I realise that it was much easier to get to know people in events having just six to eight people. If you go in a large group setting it is difficult to meet people as splinter groups start getting formed,” said a Pakistani reader.

“I have been in Sweden for over 15 years now. During this time our close friendship network has just increased. Like any friends, we fight and argue at times, but at the same time I know that my friends care about me. I feel at home in Sweden with this circle of friends.”

He wasn’t the only one who suggested joining a society (although one reader cautioned against “survivorship bias” and pointed out that not everyone manages to turn up at event and immediately make friends). Even if you don’t join a traditional club, readers recommended plenty of other networking opportunities, including sites or friendship apps such as Meetup, Bumble BFF, Panion and GoFrendly.

Nathan Lloyd, a Welshman in Malmö, recommends networking meetups, even if they’re not directly relevant to your own field, as well as Facebook groups. He met his best friend, Brian, via Grindr – not the only one we’ve heard of who made platonic friends on dating apps.

“He’s truly my best friend. Been friends for over six years,” he said. “We enjoy loppising together, going out in nature, birdwatching and art, a major thing we bonded over. He’s been there through highs and lows and helped me in emergency situations when I’ve needed someone.”

Nathan Lloyd, centre, with his friend, Brian, and partner, Tom, at the Konstrundan art weekend in southern Sweden. Photo: Private

Not being afraid of putting yourself out there and making the first move was another tip that came up in the survey, with many describing Swedes as warm friends – perhaps even surprisingly warm – once you break through the shell.

“First and foremost, don’t try too hard. Best friends are the organic ones that come in your life at the moments you don’t expect. Be open and give a shot to those who seem to be more open. Swedes who have been abroad frequently are exceptionally more pleasant to keep around,” said Hadi from Iran, who first moved to Sweden in 2010 and now lives in the south of the country.

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Peter, a reader who works at Lund University in southern Sweden, befriended his new neighbour after knocking on their door to ask if he could use their wifi until he managed to get his own.

“We have been very good friends ever since, even after I moved to another town. I find Swedes to be very friendly in general, but sometimes I need to make the first effort,” he said.

Robert Blomstrand, a born Swede who lived most of his life abroad, says he and his South African wife, Vanessa, met amazing friends in church and were surprised by their warmth and care.

“Through this we learned Swedish and had many wonderful Swedish experiences (sailing, meals, celebrations). Still very good friends,” he said.

Robert Blomstrand’s friends on a sailing trip to the Gothenburg archipelago. Photo: Private

Ioannis, based in southern Stockholm, said he met most of his friends through university or work and then made sure that the friendships were maintained after studies finished or work changed.

“Important first step was to accept that it is me, the one that has to make an effort. Then show interest in others, learn about who they are and how they are like. Share experiences with them, also offer help and support and ask for help and support. Independence and individualism can be an obstacle in creating social bonds. Make the effort, without expecting same returns. Give it time.”

“I believe that if you want a friend, you have to be a friend first,” said Jeremiah from the US. “My friends are people who were willing to invest in a building a relationship because they didn’t have them locally. We connected over the shared experience of being displaced and learning how to adult again. The connections grew because we had other shared interests, were willing to spend more time together, and were willing to help each other.”

“Focus on finding people who like doing things that you enjoy, like going to museums, movies, etc,” said a Stockholm-based reader, who made friends with his colleague after inviting him to a drag show at the Abba Museum.

“It’s so much easier to make friends during the things you like. Like any relationship, don’t try and rush it,” he added. “Just continue to reach out for times to hang out, and be OK with them not always saying yes the first time. We’re all busy. I also found it easier to make friends with folks, particularly Swedes, who weren’t from Stockholm (or whatever city you’re living in) as they generally have smaller networks/ open to make new friends in Stockholm.

Several readers expressed sadness that they hadn’t made any Swedish friends and that all their friends were fellow foreigners.

“I made friends through work (international company) and from my country of origin. I don’t have any Swedish friends even though I have been living in Stockholm for 15 years,” said a Colombian reader.

Some readers, however, argued that it isn’t necessarily strange, or a negative, that foreigners end up with foreigners, as you share similar experiences. Having a community with people you feel close to and have something in common with matters more than who they are.

“Close friendships are built because you share some experiences in life. I was an immigrant in Sweden, hence like all immigrants in Sweden I faced many issues time after time, for example issues related to visa or bank accounts,” said the Pakistani reader from the start of the article. “It is much easier to connect with people when you share similar issues. Don’t be afraid to talk about your experiences. This helps to bring us closer.”

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