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OPINION: Why Sweden’s flat hierarchy can make people seem boring

There's no nice way to put this: when Swedes talk in meetings or give presentations, they can seem quite boring. But could this be a side effect of the flat hierarchies that make Sweden such a productive country?

OPINION: Why Sweden's flat hierarchy can make people seem boring
Swedes make less jokes in work meetings. Photo: Lieselotte van der Meijs/imagebank.sweden.se

When people in the US, UK or Ireland make speeches, give presentations, or speak in meetings, they tend to add a bit of levity to what they say, drop in the odd joke, a broad smile, try to win over the audience. In Sweden, this is an optional extra, if that. 

“How could she show such a lack of concern for her audience?” I found myself thinking at a recent event in Malmö as one of the attendants explained a project with the municipality with relentless seriousness. “Why is she making absolutely zero effort to be engaging?”

It was only when I looked at the others in the room, all waiting patiently for her to have her say, that I realised that what I, as a Brit, see as tediousness might result from the cultural rules around public discussions in Sweden, to the country’s much-vaunted flat hierarchies. 

“The focus is on facts rather than easing people into something with small talk or jokes, and the style is that you don’t show that much emotion,” confirms Anne Pihl, an expert on Swedish culture at Relocate to Sweden.

“Generally speaking, it’s considered better to hold yourself back and keep your voice lowered, rather than bring the energy and enthusiasm some other cultures would have.”

She argues this is partly because Swedes simply have less need to win audiences’ attention: the country’s flat hierarchies mean that everyone has the right to give their opinion, to communicate their thoughts, the flip side of which is that everyone has a duty to listen. 

“You don’t have to fight for airspace in the same way. It’s rude to interrupt. You have to wait until a person has finished and said their piece,” Pihl, who came to Sweden from Ireland, believes. “So they’re not expecting anyone else to chime in.” 

In Anglo-Saxon cultures – as will be clear to anyone who has witnessed the cacophony of the UK parliament – this is much less the case.

This can have advantages: people tend to make more effort to make what they say stand out, to craft their speeches in advance, and, yes, make more jokes (for those at the top of the hierarchy, obviously, this does not apply, or at least the jokes don’t have to be any good).

But does it also make speakers in countries with more of a focus on entertaining their colleagues leave out information and context that is important, but, well, a bit boring?

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Sofi Tegsveden Deveaux, an expert on intercultural communication at Bee Swedish, believes Swedes can be reluctant to come across as too funny, as this might be seen as seeking to outshine colleagues.  

“It might certainly be related to equality: telling jokes is about intelligence, and when you crack a good joke that only half of your colleagues understand, it makes it obvious that some are stupider than others,” she says. 

The same, she argues, might go for presentations that show up colleagues in other ways. 

“I know of many cases where presentations have been considered ‘too good’, ‘too detailed’, or ‘too serious’ and hence unwelcome. In general, what Swedes want from their colleagues more than anything else is a ‘positive attitude’.” 

While this reluctance to stand out may seem on the surface to be a negative quality, the plus side is that less confident and more junior people feel freer to address their colleagues, meaning they are more likely to share information and that their ideas are more likely to get an airing.

It’s part of what makes Sweden’s flat hierarchy function. 

One aspect of public speaking where Swedes do tend to be extremely conscious of their audience is in not taking up more than their fair share of time. 

Yes, you have a right to have your say, but so does everyone else. That means that if there are ten people at a 30-minute meeting, each person there probably only has two minutes to get their point across.  

According to Pihl, this is another part of the explanation for Swedes’ reluctance to waste time on unnecessary sweeteners. 

“It’s about using as few words as possible, being concise and clear – so a bit like the Ikea manual.”

Member comments

  1. So working within a flat hierarchy enables a putative egalitarianism – then what? Who stands up and takes responsibility for what was discussed? It would seem to me that a flat hierarchy might make for pleasant work situations but that its secondary function
    is to provide an alibi wherein nothing can happen; no change to be wrought; all responsibility and no actual care.

  2. I’ve worked at big Swedish firms US firms (all with over 100K employees).

    I think the Junior staff in the US firms have more say, more access to senior management, and more influence.

    Whenever I see ‘rows of silent swedes’ listening to presentations – I see the strict hierarchy in action. It’s also “learned helplessness” (under the Swedish bureaucracies.) Much like the elephant with a thin rope around its ankle (google it).

    J.

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‘We all cheer each other on’: How we made friends in Sweden

Sweden is often rated as a difficult country to make friends in. We asked those who've been there, done that – or in other words, The Local's readers – how they met their closest friends in Sweden.

'We all cheer each other on': How we made friends in Sweden

“They are so supportive, caring and understanding,” said Erin Swoverland, a reader from the US, about her friends. “We all listen, lift each other up and cheer each other on. I feel so incredibly lucky to have such amazing women in my corner.”

She met most of them at a gym in Stockholm. 

“I attended a Friday training class for women and the rest is history. I will say I think it being a small, independent gym made all the difference as we actually spoke to each other. I haven’t had the same interactions at larger chains,” she said.

Erin was one of dozens of readers who responded to The Local’s question about how they found their friends in Sweden, sparked by a recent survey which showed that 13 percent of foreigners lack a close friend (double the number of Swedes who said the same thing).

A lot of readers alluded to the part-truth, part-stereotype that Swedes tend to compartmentalise their lives and prefer organised fun over spontaneous activities, and one of the classic strategies that always comes up in these discussions is to join some kind of club or society.

The benefit of “organised fun” is that Sweden has a vibrant föreningsliv (literally “association life”), with many people involved in for example their local football club, gaming hub, gardening society, trade union, hiking club, or even just being on the board of their housing association.

“As I always liked cycling, running, badminton, indoor climbing and a few other sports, I found groups on Meetup for such activities. This helped me meet like-minded people. Soon afterwards, some of us started to hang out together for beers or pizzas etc. Thanks to these people we started to invite other people to our gatherings. Finally today, I have a large network of very interesting and close friends (immigrants as well as Swedish friends). When I look back, I realise that it was much easier to get to know people in events having just six to eight people. If you go in a large group setting it is difficult to meet people as splinter groups start getting formed,” said a Pakistani reader.

“I have been in Sweden for over 15 years now. During this time our close friendship network has just increased. Like any friends, we fight and argue at times, but at the same time I know that my friends care about me. I feel at home in Sweden with this circle of friends.”

He wasn’t the only one who suggested joining a society (although one reader cautioned against “survivorship bias” and pointed out that not everyone manages to turn up at event and immediately make friends). Even if you don’t join a traditional club, readers recommended plenty of other networking opportunities, including sites or friendship apps such as Meetup, Bumble BFF, Panion and GoFrendly.

Nathan Lloyd, a Welshman in Malmö, recommends networking meetups, even if they’re not directly relevant to your own field, as well as Facebook groups. He met his best friend, Brian, via Grindr – not the only one we’ve heard of who made platonic friends on dating apps.

“He’s truly my best friend. Been friends for over six years,” he said. “We enjoy loppising together, going out in nature, birdwatching and art, a major thing we bonded over. He’s been there through highs and lows and helped me in emergency situations when I’ve needed someone.”

Nathan Lloyd, centre, with his friend, Brian, and partner, Tom, at the Konstrundan art weekend in southern Sweden. Photo: Private

Not being afraid of putting yourself out there and making the first move was another tip that came up in the survey, with many describing Swedes as warm friends – perhaps even surprisingly warm – once you break through the shell.

“First and foremost, don’t try too hard. Best friends are the organic ones that come in your life at the moments you don’t expect. Be open and give a shot to those who seem to be more open. Swedes who have been abroad frequently are exceptionally more pleasant to keep around,” said Hadi from Iran, who first moved to Sweden in 2010 and now lives in the south of the country.

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Peter, a reader who works at Lund University in southern Sweden, befriended his new neighbour after knocking on their door to ask if he could use their wifi until he managed to get his own.

“We have been very good friends ever since, even after I moved to another town. I find Swedes to be very friendly in general, but sometimes I need to make the first effort,” he said.

Robert Blomstrand, a born Swede who lived most of his life abroad, says he and his South African wife, Vanessa, met amazing friends in church and were surprised by their warmth and care.

“Through this we learned Swedish and had many wonderful Swedish experiences (sailing, meals, celebrations). Still very good friends,” he said.

Robert Blomstrand’s friends on a sailing trip to the Gothenburg archipelago. Photo: Private

Ioannis, based in southern Stockholm, said he met most of his friends through university or work and then made sure that the friendships were maintained after studies finished or work changed.

“Important first step was to accept that it is me, the one that has to make an effort. Then show interest in others, learn about who they are and how they are like. Share experiences with them, also offer help and support and ask for help and support. Independence and individualism can be an obstacle in creating social bonds. Make the effort, without expecting same returns. Give it time.”

“I believe that if you want a friend, you have to be a friend first,” said Jeremiah from the US. “My friends are people who were willing to invest in a building a relationship because they didn’t have them locally. We connected over the shared experience of being displaced and learning how to adult again. The connections grew because we had other shared interests, were willing to spend more time together, and were willing to help each other.”

“Focus on finding people who like doing things that you enjoy, like going to museums, movies, etc,” said a Stockholm-based reader, who made friends with his colleague after inviting him to a drag show at the Abba Museum.

“It’s so much easier to make friends during the things you like. Like any relationship, don’t try and rush it,” he added. “Just continue to reach out for times to hang out, and be OK with them not always saying yes the first time. We’re all busy. I also found it easier to make friends with folks, particularly Swedes, who weren’t from Stockholm (or whatever city you’re living in) as they generally have smaller networks/ open to make new friends in Stockholm.

Several readers expressed sadness that they hadn’t made any Swedish friends and that all their friends were fellow foreigners.

“I made friends through work (international company) and from my country of origin. I don’t have any Swedish friends even though I have been living in Stockholm for 15 years,” said a Colombian reader.

Some readers, however, argued that it isn’t necessarily strange, or a negative, that foreigners end up with foreigners, as you share similar experiences. Having a community with people you feel close to and have something in common with matters more than who they are.

“Close friendships are built because you share some experiences in life. I was an immigrant in Sweden, hence like all immigrants in Sweden I faced many issues time after time, for example issues related to visa or bank accounts,” said the Pakistani reader from the start of the article. “It is much easier to connect with people when you share similar issues. Don’t be afraid to talk about your experiences. This helps to bring us closer.”

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