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Is it hard to make friends with Swedes?

Every week, we ask a panel of readers to discuss an issue affecting the lives of immigrants in Sweden. This week: breaking the ice.

Is it hard to make friends with Swedes?

Sanna Holmqvist

Sanna Holmqvist

I always hear it is, so I suppose it is true. But at the same time, I don’t really believe it.

I think it all comes down to Swedes’ issues with expectations. In general, Swedes are shy and we often feel uncomfortable with what we don’t recognize. Not because we think others are strange, but because we want to be sure of what is being expected of us.

We are terrified of doing something wrong and making things get awkward and embarrassing. I often hear people say that you can talk for a whole evening with a Swede, thinking you have finally made a Swedish friend, but the next day the Swede behaves as if you have never met.

But that is because we Swedes get a little uncertain. We don’t know if something is expected from us now that we can’t live up to. And perhaps we also want to be polite (!) and show that we do not expect anything from you.

To a Swede, that is being polite. Because Swedes don’t want to seem demanding, the solution, I think, is simply to break the ice and start talking to your Swede again. They will appreciate it. We are, deep down, still a homogeneous people that struggles to understand (though we really want to!) people who are not exactly the same as us.

We are also products of a welfare state, where we rely on society and not other people to meet our needs. Being independent and not expecting or demanding anything from other people is very Swedish.

Robert Flahiff

Robert Flahiff

Yes and no. First, one would have to define “friend.” Swedes are famous for being a bit introverted, but out here in the country, give a local an alcohol-based social lubricant and introduce them to a person in the vicinity speaking English, and that English-speaker has a friend for life (or at least until closing time, whichever comes first).

I am sure that they are much more sophisticated in the big city and this does not happen as often. But in regards to real friends, I think that Swedes are no different than anyone else.

My best friends here in Sweden have carried me on their shoulders through thick and thin, and I am extremely grateful for their friendship, honesty, and understanding, even at times when things get lost in translation. Friendship is a two-way street and no social or language barrier changes that simple truth.

But if you want your friendship to last, remember the rule of thumb that “maybe” means “no”, and you will be just fine. And anyone who has lived here for any amount of time will know exactly what that means.

Claudia Tenenblat

Claudia Tenenblat

That depends on how bold and willing you are. Swedes tend to be a bit afraid of making the first move, perhaps because that would make them look different – not the done thing around here where everyone is supposed to be like everyone else.

I, on the other hand, am not at all afraid of being forward and looking a bit foolish, so I am used to making the first move (and the second and the third…).

Usually people respond very warmly, as if just waiting for an excuse to open up. I see that even with my in-laws: they shake hands with each other and with my husband but all of them hug and kiss me (of course, I started it).

As for real friendship, I am still working on it. Now that I can hold a conversation in Swedish, things are looking brighter. Swedes love to speak English and most are very fluent, but the “real life” language is Swedish, of course.

In this sense, I don’t think they are any different to other nationalities. In social settings, if you can communicate in the native language, it’s easier to get close to people all over the world.

Nabeel Shehzad

Nabeel Shehzad

Generally I have found Swedes very closed and conservative. Unlike people from some other countries, Swedes take a long time before you can call them your friend.

Swedish people are generally reluctant to talk to strangers unless they have consumed a lot of alcohol, when they finally open up.

From my experience I can say one thing for sure: Swedes may take some time to get to know, and may come across as being a bit arrogant in the beginning, but when he/she becomes a friend, then you get to know how uncomplicated, caring and honest they are.

In short, it is best to take the initiative, as otherwise it can be difficult to get over the first step.

Tiffany Hoffman

Tiffany Hoffman

Most of the Swedes I have met have been amicable, but they always seem a little uncomfortable because they don’t really know what to say to me.

To be fair, I think it’s always hard to make friends with people who don’t comfortably speak the same language you do, and it just makes me want to learn Swedish that much faster. Even though Swedes understand English and can speak it, many of the people I’ve met that are my age (who haven’t studied abroad or dated English-speakers) have been shy to speak it.

I also think Swedes are generally more reserved and candid than what I’m used to. But, as soon as formalities were aside and I was accepted into a group, the Swedes have treated me as warmly and graciously as anyone could wish their friends to be.

Marcus Cederström

Marcus Cederström

Yes. Incredibly. Swedes are notorious for being shy. And while this obviously differs from person to person and city to city, I have found it difficult to make friends with Swedes.

Other immigrants are much easier to connect with, maybe because of shared experiences in the move to Sweden, shared values that led to a move to Sweden, or just the fact that they don’t have any Swedish friends either and are looking for friendship.

Coming from the US, I am used to a bit more openness. A bit more willingness to get to know someone. Swedes often complain that Americans are overly friendly. They see this as a negative, something that leads to superficial relationships.

I just don’t agree. I see this friendliness as a sort of shotgun approach. Take a shot and you’re bound to hit something.

Obviously, a lot of those people will end up just being simple acquaintances, but out of all those people you are friendly with, you could find your new drinking buddy. Or your best friend. Or the girl of your dreams.

In the end persistence pays off. Just keep smiling at people. Talking to people. Introducing yourself. So while making friends with Swedes is hard, eventually you will have found a great group of Swedes to spend your time with.

EXPATS

Expat stories: How I made my closest Danish friend

Many foreigners living in Denmark struggle to make friends with born-and-bred Danes. We spoke to five who have successfully made the connection.

Expat stories: How I made my closest Danish friend
Fernando Secca (right) and her Danish friend Marie Peschardt (left). Photo: Private

Fernanda Secca from Brazil and her Danish friend Marie Peschardt 

When 32-year-old Fernanda moved to Copenhagen at the start of 2017, one of the first things she did was find a place to do pole-dancing, which had been her hobby back in São Paulo. Marie Peschardt, 29, was her teacher, and before long they soon realised they got on well.

“Coming to class a few times a week made us create a bond that was eventually taken to a personal relationship,” she remembers. “We now do everything together. We hang out several times a week. We go travelling together, we have dinner, we go to bars, we go dancing.” 

When The Local interviewed them in 2020, the two still trained together at the dance studio. 

Fernando Secca (right) and her Danish friend Marie Peschardt (left). Photo: Private 

“I think the friendship was possible because we were both open to meeting new people and building connections,” Fernanda says, adding that she doesn’t think Danes are particularly difficult to become friends with.

“There is no secret. Danes are not aliens. I think finding something in common that you can bond around or relate to helps in the beginning, because people are more likely to respond to that than a random request or small talk.” 

“Also taking a chance, inviting a person you feel could be interesting for a coffee or a drink, can be something spontaneous or quick. Some Danes might even appreciate being spontaneous because no one here really is.” 
 
On the other hand, it is important for those from more free-wheeling countries to understand that Danes like to plan ahead, she adds. 
 
“Appreciate that they have their schedules and bookings weeks in advance and you might need to fit into that type of style as well if you want to build a connection.” 
Marcele Rask and her Danish friends Jasmine and Carina
 
Marcele Rask, 36, a manager at Danske Bank specialising in financial crime and sanctions, met her Danish friends Jasmine and Carina at her previous job because they all worked in the same department. She said the three of them shared a similar appetite for adventure. 
 
“One thing that connected us three a lot is the fact that we are all very curious and like to try new things. So we programme ‘adventure days’  where we go somewhere new, or that we like or something and spend some hours there or even the day,” she says. “It doesn’t have to be fancy, or crazy or anything, but something nice to know.” 
 
She said they tend to do this about once or twice a month, either two of them, or all three together.
 
“Just after Denmark started to open from the lockdown, we went to a Gavnø slot for their tulip festival, and afterwards we went to eat MacDonald’s by the harbour.” 
 
She says that both Jasmine and Carina are quite internationally-minded, which she feels made them more open to making friends with a foreigner. 
 
“Jasmin lived some years abroad and was an expat herself. Carina has worked on international companies and is used to the expats’ life, having herself another great expat friend,” she says. 
 
She said they now spoke a mixture of English and Danish together, but were speaking Danish more and more as her command of the language improved. She said she felt her own openness had helped her make Danish friends. 
 
“I think one thing that it is very important to be as an expat is open — open for anything and everything — and not just to sit around bitching about the country, the language, the food, and everything else.” 
 
 
Ashley Norval and her Danish friend Mia Garner 
 
Ashley, 31, met Mia, 28 almost as soon as she arrived in Copenhagen in 2019 from Australia and the two were paired together for a group session during her university course. They have hung out together ever since. 
 
“I hear from her two or three times a week usually, and we do all kinds of stuff together,” she says. “We’ve travelled together, we catch up for dinner, we go to the movies, or just go to each other’s place. Sometimes we go walking or running, sometimes we just go and get an ice cream and sit in the park.” 
 
Ashley Norval (right) and Mia Garner at the Gisselfeld Klosters Forest Tower south of Copenhagen. Photo: Private
 
Ashley believes that many foreigners think, often mistakenly, that the Danish reluctance to impose themselves on others means they are not open to making new friends. 
 
“I think Danish people genuinely don’t want to encroach on your personal space and territory and I’m convinced that once you kind of invite them to something and show them that it’s fine, and that you do want to see them outside of your professional space or whatever, then it’s fine.”
 
She said that foreigners in Denmark needed to realise that they might have to make the move, and suggest going to see a film or get a meal. 
 
“If you make the effort to get to know any part of Danish culture, that is always well received with Danish people,” she adds, although she concedes that Danes might view Australians more favourably than people from many other countries. 

 
Camila Witt and her Danish friend Emilie Møllenbach
 
Camila, 36, met Emilie over the coffee machine when they were both working for a Danish payments company, but bonded over their academic interests. “Emilie and I had a I have a very strong academic background, so we just started to talk about different theories: physics, science and this kind of thing. And we connected over that and I think that the relationship grew from that.” 
 
They go for walks together, make chocolate together, go for dinner, or a cup of tea at a café. 
 
“Nothing really fancy, to be fair, just being each in each other’s companies and I think that both her and I share this perspective that we like we were there for each other and not to be on our phones.” 
 
Camila believes a lot of foreigners wrongly think that when Danes say they’re busy or booked up, that that means they aren’t open to a friendship. 
 
“Danes require more planning. I think that something we need to understand if we come from countries where you’re used to spontaneously say ‘let’ go out tonight, let’s go out after work and just have a beer’. 
 
“It’s really important to you know, proactively invite them and not take them saying, ‘I don’t have time this week’ as them shutting you off because in all honesty, many times they are booked. So it’s about finding that slot of time. It can happen in three weeks, but it will happen you know.”
 
 
 
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