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Brits in Denmark: Brexit could spell ‘disaster’

On June 23rd this year, the UK will become the first EU country to hold a referendum on whether to remain in the union. The Local spoke to four British citizens living in Denmark about their thoughts on the potential British EU exit - and what it might mean for them as European free movers.

Brits in Denmark: Brexit could spell ‘disaster’
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Phillip Hay, 51. Chef. Originally from Hertfordshire. In Denmark since 1997.

How do you think Denmark will react if the UK leaves?

Denmark is watching, like other countries. I’m sure it will want to renegotiate, for example, welfare to Eastern European nationals. The Danes support Britain and are a bit Eurosceptic themselves. Maybe they’ll have their own referendum. Scepticism and nationalism rear their ugly heads when times are hard, but like with the UK, there’s no point in Denmark throwing the baby out with the bath water. Whatever happens though, I won’t go back. I love the lifestyle and the quality of life in Denmark and I have my partner and my kids here – that’s not going to change, whatever else does.

What concerns you about the potential exit?

It would be a disaster for European business, for our relationship with the rest of the EU. I don’t use the word ‘disaster’ lightly. I think it would be a huge own-goal. I know we pay a lot to be part of it but we get a lot back, we get modernisation, the lifestyle – people moan about rules that govern our pesticides and industry, for example, but it gives us a better lifestyle which benefits us all.

Why do you think so many Brits want to leave the EU?

I know there are problems. There should be more openness, more clarity. A lot of money is spent and we don’t know where it goes. But if we left, there could be retribution [from the EU], obstacles could be put up. And I’d accept that. You can’t sit at the table and eat if you’re not part of the family. In Denmark, there’s welfare in place to support me. Touch wood, I’ve never needed it, but I don’t see why we should deny other people that.

You’re referring to the argument that leaving the EU will save the UK money on social benefits payments to non-British EU nationals?

Yes, it works both ways. There are Brits on welfare here. We can’t complain about other nationalities doing it in the UK. People also want to feel like they’re limiting immigration. They’re annoyed about child benefits [being sent to other EU countries]. But we’re not unique in that respect. There’s just not a lot of compassion – but then again I’m an old socialist, so I would say that.

Mark Sedgwick, 55. Professor of Arab and Islamic Studies, Aarhus University. Originally from London. In Denmark since 2007.

Do you think Britain will leave the EU?

I think it will leave. Every time we’ve had a referendum involving the EU anywhere across Europe, the vote has gone towards nationalists. The Danish vote [on legal exemption from intrastate policing, ed.] in December and the Swiss minaret vote [in 2009] are examples of this. There are dozens of precedents. So if I was a betting man, that’s where I’d put my money.

Journalists and others tend to only talk to people who think about these issues in the same way as them. The so-called elites have lost touch with the population and the population doesn’t like it – so they will vote to reject the elites. People aren’t voting against free trade and I doubt they are particularly against regulation. They are certainly against immigration. I don’t know whether they’re voting against Pakistanis and accidentally rejecting the Poles, though.

How do you see the potential Brexit affecting Brits in Denmark?

Even as an EU citizen you don’t have the right to just wander in and live here. Non-EU and EU citizens have to basically follow the same rules – if you’ve got a contract of employment, you’re in. After five years, you’ve got residency. So for me, it wouldn’t have made any difference when I moved here [to take up a position at Aarhus University, ed.] and it wouldn’t make any difference now.

What about the Danish – and European – economy?

Britain will want to be part of the EEC but not the EU, so the question is what position the EU will take – they could make life as difficult as possible to discourage others, meaning Britain wouldn’t get EEC status. But I think this would be too disruptive. I think in the end, self-interest will mean they have to negotiate. So the question is how much difference will it really make? The EU is already ‘multi-speed’ – with some countries and not others in Schengen, in the Euro, in the EEC or EU. Britain leaving would be an extension of that.

Will you apply for Danish citizenship if Britain leaves?

I also have an Irish passport so no, but otherwise I would. Being an EU citizen in some other countries does give you other advantages – for example, if I wanted to send my children to university in the Netherlands, it makes enormous differences to the fees you pay.

Katie Benson, 31. Freelance writer. Originally from London. In Denmark since 2014.

Do you think Britain will actually leave the EU and why?

My hope is that there are enough sensible people in Britain to realise that we're better off as part of the EU, so I think it's unlikely that we will leave. I agree that the EU has plenty of flaws and needs reforming, but I think we're better off trying to effect change from the inside, rather than watching from the sidelines as everything falls apart.

In the event of Brexit, how do you think UK-Denmark relations might be affected?

I suspect that a Brexit would lead to closer ties between the UK and Denmark, as I get the impression that many Danes are also interested in leaving the EU and might call for their country to follow suit. The UK could become a poster child for going it alone.

How might it affect you as a Brit in DK? What concerns you most?

The biggest impact for me would be on my status as a resident. I imagine I'd have to apply for some sort of visa to live and work here, and that's a huge shame as I am naturally a strong supporter of freedom of movement. My largest concern about a Brexit is that I could easily see the current government rolling back EU regulations that affect environmental and agricultural policies. I don't want to see the UK sacrifice environmental progress for the sake of short-term economic gains.

If Britain does leave, would you apply for Danish citizenship?

Even though I have my ups and downs with how our country is run, I’m still proud to be British. I think I'd only apply for dual citizenship if it became a legal requirement for owning my home, as I'd like to think that I'll stay in Denmark for a few more years and it's lovely not having to spend a fortune on rent like I did in London.

Matthew Travers, 37. Teacher. Originally from Huddersfield. In Denmark since 2010.

How do you think Brexit would affect Denmark?

The only obvious thing to say is that it will impact negatively on business. A lot of British expats in Denmark are highly educated – they will no longer be vouchsafed by regulation. So it might be harder to find high level skilled workers, but only with regard to Brits. So perhaps that makes it less important unless you need native speakers for example, or financial sector workers.

How might it affect you?

I feel relatively safe. As a native English speaker teaching in an international school I think they’ll still want to keep me around, so even though I potentially won’t be protected by social welfare, hopefully I’ll be okay. I’ve never had to claim it yet. I want that on record!

How about Denmark-based Brits in general?

It depends on what you’re after. If you want to be in Denmark purely for the lifestyle, then you might have reason to be concerned with regard to residence permits. I’m here because the work’s here and I think that’s why they’d want to keep me, even if Britain flies off into space. But people can do entire degrees in other EU countries at ‘EU rates’ – to lose that would be really sad for British people.

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EES: Could the launch of Europe’s new border system be delayed again?

After being postponed several times already Europe's new biometric Entry/Exit border system (EES) is set to be rolled out in October, but with fears of lengthy queues, problems with a new app and demands for more time, could it be postponed again?

EES: Could the launch of Europe's new border system be delayed again?

Could the entry into operation of the EU entry/exit system (EES), the new biometric passport checks for non-EU citizens at the Schengen area’s external borders, be delayed yet again?

Originally planned for May 2022, EES has already been postponed many times.

The current launch date, set for October 2024, was chosen to avoid periods of peak traffic and France in particular had requested to avoid it being launched until after the Paris Olympics this summer.

When asked to confirm the October start date this week a spokesperson for the EU’s Commission told The Local that the “roadmap” for the EES IT system foresees it will be ready for Autumn 2024. But the actual start date, in other words, the day when passengers will have to register, would be confirmed nearer the time.

The spokesperson said: “The exact date will be determined by the European Commission and announced on the EES official website well in time for the start of operations.”

READ ALSO: Your key questions answered about Europe’s new EES passport checks

But the reasons are adding up to suggest an October start date is optimistic, perhaps even unlikely.

In the annual report on the ‘State of Schengen’ published last week, the European Commission spelt out that severe challenges remain if member states are to be ready on time.

“In 2023, efforts to ensure the entry into operation of the Entry-Exit System in the autumn of 2024 were accelerated… While important progress has been made across the Schengen area, some Member States are still falling behind, notably regarding the effective equipment of border crossing points. The Commission calls on all Member States to urgently accelerate preparations to ensure the timely implementation of the system…”

A map in the report shows that preparation is still “in progress” in 13 Schengen area countries, including Germany, Norway and Switzerland. “Outstanding issues” still impact Portugal, Malta and Bulgaria.

The state of play for the preparations for EES across EU and Schengen states. Image: European Commission.

There are also reports that EU heavyweight Germany is trying to persuade Brussels to delay.

Matthias Monroy, editor of the German civil rights journal Bürgerrechte & Polizei/CILIP claimed on his website that “the German government is lobbying in Brussels to postpone the date once again, as otherwise the German tests of the EES cannot be completed in full. Other EU countries are also behind schedule, with only eight of them having reported successful integration.”

Even on a French government website it talks of EES being rolled out some time “between the end of 2024 and 2025” rather than stating October 2024.

And according to recent media reports, French airports have been advised to be ready for November 6th, rather than October. 

READ ALSO: EES and Etias – what are the big upcoming travel changes in Europe?

A planned EU app, believed to be essential to the smooth operation of EES because it would allow non-EU visitors to register in advance of travel will not be ready, Gwendoline Cazenave, Managing Director of Eurostar International, the company operating train services via the Channel Tunnel, has told the BBC. The EU however insists the app does not need to be up and running before EES is introduced.

In the UK, which will be heavily impacted by EES due to the fact it is no longer in the EU and so British travellers are no longer EU citizens, the House of Commons European scrutiny committee is conducting an inquiry on the potential disruption the introduction of the EES will cause at the border.

Several respondents have recently raised the alarm about the possible delays the system could cause, especially at the UK-France border, which is used by millions of passengers each year who head to France and other countries across Europe.

Ashford Borough Council in Kent has warned of the possibility of more than 14 hours queues to reach the Port of Dover, which has already been struggling increased checked after Brexit.

The BBC reported that back in March, a P&O Ferries director said the IT system should be delayed again.

Airlines have also complained about the fact pre-travel EES requirements would make last minute bookings impossible.

The Union des Aéroports Français (UAF), which represents airports in France, has simply said more time is needed.

In other words, it would be little surprise if the roll out was delayed again beyond October 2024.

But the Commission spokesperson told The Local that “the timeline for the entry into operation of the EES took into account all the necessary activities to be performed by all relevant stakeholders to ensure a timely entry into operation. 

“The Commission is working very closely with eu-Lisa [the EU agency in charge of the IT system], the Member States and carriers to ensure that everything is ready for the timely and successful launch of the Entry Exit System.

“The roadmap for the delivery of the new IT architecture foresees that the Entry/Exit system will be ready to enter into operation in Autumn 2024.”

New digital border

The EES is a digital system to register travellers from non-EU countries when they cross a border in or out of the Schengen area, the travel-free area. It will be deployed in 29 countries across Europe including 25 EU states plus Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein. Ireland and Cyprus are the only EU members who won’t apply the EES system.

It doesn’t apply to non-EU nationals who are legally resident in an EU/Schengen area country or those with dual nationality of an EU /Schengen county. The system was designed to increase security and to ensure that non-EU nationals visiting the Schengen area short-term do not stay more than 90 days in any 180-day period.

Instead of having the passport stamped, travellers will have to scan it at self-service kiosks before crossing the border. However, fingerprints and a photo will have to be registered in front of a guard at the first crossing and there are huge concerns the extra time needed could generate long queues in the UK, where there are juxtaposed border checks with the EU.

Preparations are ongoing throughout Europe and some countries have made good progress.

In France, Getlink, the operator of the Channel Tunnel, has recently reported that new EES infrastructure is finished at its French terminal of Coquelles, which will allow travellers to register their biometric data while travelling.

Eurostar is also installing 49 kiosks in stations for the registration of passengers. But the Union des Aéroports Français (UAF), which represents airports in France, said more time is needed.

Exempted

Meanwhile, the Polish government has urged UK citizens who are beneficiaries of the EU-UK Withdrawal Agreement to get a residence permit “in the context of EES/ETIAS”, even though there was not such an obligation to stay legally in Poland post-Brexit.

“Having such a document is beneficial as it will exempt from future Entry/Exit System (EES) registration when crossing external borders and from the need to obtain an ETIAS travel permit in relation to short-term travel to EU/Schengen countries,” the government page says.

This article as published in collaboration with Europe Street news.

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