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Ask the experts: What’s the deal with remote working and France’s visitor visa?

It's a legal grey area - on the one hand we have a visa system that was last revised well before remote working became an option for most people, on the other hand we have the exponential rise in the number of people working remotely. The Local asked some experts for their views on remote working while on a visitor visa.

Ask the experts: What's the deal with remote working and France's visitor visa?
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France’s visitor visa is a common choice for non-EU citizens – the short-stay visitor visa is popular with second-home owners wanting to spend a little more time here, while the long-stay visitor visa is the usual choice for people retiring to France.

EXPLAINED How to get a visitor visa for France

The visa’s rules were last revised in 2005, and part of applying for the visa is making a declaration that you will not “exercise a professional activity in France”.

Back in 2005, that was pretty clear – you couldn’t work in France, but you could do some work overseas, perhaps on a visit back to your home country for a special project or maybe doing some short-term work in another country.

Since then, remote working has exploded in popularity and now it’s not particularly unusual for a person to be physically in one country, while working online for a company that is based in another country.

But it’s far from clear whether declaring that you won’t exercise a professional activity “in” France refers to you being in France, or the work that you are doing being in France. 

And this creates a confusing legal grey area. 

We asked the experts for their take.

Type of work

The first thing to be clear about is the type of work we are talking about – this does not refer to any kind of work that is physically performed in France. So if you are here on a visitor visa you cannot work as a waitress, take on plumbing jobs or hold in-person English classes – to give just a few examples. 

This would also extend to running a gîte or B&B in France, or even renting out property on Airbnb – all of which would be counted as running a business. 

We are talking about remote working, where you’re online working for a company or client based elsewhere.

But even within remote working there is a distinction – if you’re working with French clients (perhaps giving online English lessons to people in France) or you’re working for a company that has any professional activity in France then this counts as working in France.

The grey area exists if you’re working remotely for a company based in another country that has no connection to France – for example you’re a copy-editor working for a UK-based company that operates only within the UK. 

Visa requirements

We asked Daniel Tostado, a lawyer who specialises in French immigration, for his view.

He said: “My interpretation is that remote working would be allowed on a visitor visa, provided that the work has no connection to France – you’re not working with French clients and your company has no presence in France.

“There isn’t national legislation on the matter of remote working internationally, so I freely admit it is a bit of a grey area legally and we’re looking at interpretations of the existing rules.

“But we’ve asked multiple French consulates and French préfectures this question and they have indicated in writing that they do accept remote working so long as the work is not done with French clients or a French employer.

“We’ve also searched the legal archives to find if anyone has ever been sued for working in France while on a visitor visa – or if anyone has counter-sued the French government over denial of a visa due to remote work while on a visitor visa status – and have come up blank.”

Specialist immigration lawyer Maître Haywood Wise, of Haywood Martin Wise, agreed, saying: “The answer is yes: in theory it can be done and remote work is not a problem. The problems are often more practical than that, and there are a number of issues.

“When we work with clients going for a long-stay visitor visa, very often we include a letter from the US employer in the visa application – that way nothing is being hidden, it’s being presented to the consulate in a transparent fashion.”

Complications

Unfortunately, however, the visa is only part of the equation – if you’re thinking of working remotely from France you also need to consider tax, social security contributions and insurance.

Tostado explained: “If you’re living in France on a visitor visa but working remotely for a company in the US, UK or similar then you’re in a sort of ‘one foot in, one foot out’ of France.

“For example when it comes to taxes if you pass the threshold for tax residency you would make the annual tax declaration in France and you would pay taxes (impôts) in France, and tell the tax authority in the country where you are working (eg the IRS if you’re American) that you have already paid in France.

“But the general principle is that social charges are paid where you do the work – so if you’re working remotely in the US, you would be paying US social charges, not French ones.”

This has an impact on access to things like medical care, unemployment benefits and pensions in France.

Tostado said: “After three months of residency you can apply to be registered within the French health system via PUMa, but you might end up paying an annual cotisation (charge) for healthcare, because you’re not paying the social charges relating to health.

“Likewise if you lost your job, you wouldn’t be entitled to unemployment benefits in France, because you haven’t been paying in to the system, and you won’t be making any contributions to a pension in France.”

Long-term goals

Whether you’re happy with the “half in, half out” status ultimately depends on your long-term goals – if you just want to spend a year or two in France and don’t see your future here, it’s probably less important.

Equally, if you’re a second-home owner with no intention of ever making France your long-term home, then doing some remote work while on visits to France is probably not going to create too many problems for you. 

However if you intend to settle in France long term, you may find that your unusual status becomes more of a problem, especially if you intend to eventually apply for long-term residency or even citizenship. 

Fiona Mougenot, an immigration specialist and founder of Expat Partners, said: “If you are a ‘Digital Nomad’ and you’re just in France for a few months that is one thing, but if you want to live in France, then you need to consider your longer-term access to French residency, maybe citizenship one day and in the shorter term healthcare and benefits.”

She added: “It’s complicated, this is a real grey area as most of the rules were put in place before remote working became widespread. Everyone’s circumstances are different, but when we have clients making this decision once we have pointed out to them all of the knock-on effects people almost always decide that it’s better to be officially working in France.

“Many people have a desire to avoid the French admin, which is understandable, but if you see yourself staying in France for any kind of long or medium term future it’s inevitable and if you want to do things like registering children in school or retiring in France and having access to healthcare then you will need to engage with the system.

“And if you want to apply for a 10-year residency card or citizenship one day then you need to show that your main economic base is France, if you have been declaring that your work was done elsewhere then you may find that these years don’t ‘count’ towards the five-year mandatory residence period for citizenship, for example.”

Legal advice

Ultimately it’s complicated, and anyone who is thinking of doing this would be well advised to take legal advice – and also speak to a tax expert about the tax implications of their choice. 

It’s often the case that something that works from a legal point of view creates tax problems, or vice versa, so you need to ensure that any solution you opt for does not create further problems for you down the line. 

This article is intended as an overview of the issue and should not be taken as a substitute for independent legal advice

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The best job search websites in France and tips for using them

Are you looking for work in France? These are websites you might want to bookmark, plus tips for navigating the job search.

The best job search websites in France and tips for using them

If you are looking for a job in France, then you might find that the job search websites you used in your home country do not offer as many results here.

France has its own popular job search websites, in addition to those that are popular in the US and UK, though they might need a bit of tweaking to get more results in France.

Here are the websites you will want to bookmark as you search starting with The Local’s own job search site and below you’ll find a list of essential tips to know about job-hunting in France.

LinkedIn

Popular in the anglophone world, LinkedIn is commonly used for job seekers in France too. It’s pretty simple – you can just search for jobs normally, while changing the location to ‘France’.

If you can work in both languages, consider adding a few lines to your LinkedIn ‘bio’ in French.

Indeed 

To look for jobs in France with Indeed you will need to use the French version (fr.indeed.com), and you can expect almost all of the job offers to be in French.

One benefit to ‘Indeed’ is that you can check salary estimates for your role or field, which is found under the ‘Estimation de salaire’ tab.

Welcome to the Jungle

This job site is very popular in France. There are both French and English versions. One of the benefits is that you can see a small description of the company, including gender breakdowns, the number of employees, and the average age of employees.

As the site is geared toward French people, there are many more French-speaking than English-speaking roles.

French Tech Jobs

As France seeks to attract foreign investment, innovative tech companies and start-ups, the government has created more resources and websites to help qualified foreigners move here.

One website is ‘French tech jobs’, which lists available English-language tech jobs across France. 

Many tech workers can qualify for the ‘talent passport’ residency card, which acts as its own work permit and makes life a lot easier for skilled candidates looking to move here.

READ MORE: Talent passport – The little-known French visa that could make moving to France a lot easier

HelloWork

This French job site is popular amongst recruiters. One benefit for job seekers is that you can select the language of the job you are searching for, so you can narrow down English only options.

That being said, be sure to read the entire job description – many roles in France might be listed in English, but later they will require at least some minimum level of French.

Glassdoor

You might be familiar with the English version, but to search for jobs in France you will want to use Glassdoor.fr.

The one downside to Glassdoor is that you need an account to start job searching, but similar to Indeed it also has helpful salary and company information if you create an account.

READ MORE: What is ‘job dating’ in France?

France Travail

Previously ‘Pôle Emploi’, France Travail is the employment arm of the French government. The France Travail website has a search bar for jobs. It also has plenty of useful pages and information on building your CV, interviewing, and getting additional training. 

In comparison to the other websites listed above, this one will skew even more toward Francophone jobs (on account of being a government website).

READ MORE: Digital nomad: What are the rules on working remotely from France?

Essential tips for job hunters

Before you start looking for work in France, you will want to think about a few things.

First – do you have the right to work in France? If you are an EU national, then you have the right to freedom of movement. Spouses of French and EU nationals can also qualify for residency permits that allow the right to work.

However, non-EU nationals looking to move to France, as well as people already resident here, need to think about whether they will need a work permit. 

You can use the simulator on the French visa website HERE to get an idea of whether it will be necessary, depending on your residency status. 

READ MORE: Three things to know about work permits in France

Second – consider salary levels and contract types. If you are moving to France from the United States, you will likely notice that the same role in France will pay significantly less than it would in the US.

There are pros and cons to consider with this – healthcare costs in France, for instance, may be lower than in the US. Depending on where you are coming from, cost of living might be lower or higher in France than what you are used to in your home country.

READ MORE: How much money do I need to live in France?

France also has specific types of contracts. The CDI is an unlimited contract, and this can be harder to come by. On the other hand, the CDD is a fixed-term contract. These are more common, but they might run only a few months. 

Third – language. If you do not speak French, then you will have a harder time finding work here. While there are some opportunities in English, if you are only searching using English terms then you probably will see limited results.

To view more options, search your sector’s name and job title in French and use it to set up some alerts. If you want a job that is not entirely in French, add ‘anglais’ or ‘anglophone’ to the search bar.

Keep in mind that a lot of options will be for bilingue jobs, meaning you would be expected to work in both English and French (meaning you would likely need a minimum level of French to apply).

If you are looking for jobs solely in English, then you could keep your searches to English only, but your options might be limited.

Depending on your sector, you might start by looking for large American or British companies with offices in France to see if they have any openings or to set up a job alert for the future. 

READ MORE: Ask the expert: How to write the perfect French resume

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