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Mythbusters: Are French parents really hyper strict with their children?

The cliché goes that French parents are strict and rigid and French children, as a result, are quiet, well-behaved and don't throw food. But as France itself is in the throes of a debate about parenting styles, just how true is this well-worn theory? Dad-of-three James Harrington explains.

Mythbusters: Are French parents really hyper strict with their children?
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The theory of the strict French parent has even translated into a best-selling book – French Kids Don’t Throw Food, which joins other titles of dubious scientific accuracy such as French Women Don’t Get Fat.

But while international obesity rates comprehensively debunk the latter title, strictness of parenting style is rather harder to measure.

And parenting in France, just like everywhere else, also evolves with time.

At present a debate is raging about so-called “positive parenting’ whose advocates, including many psychologists, parenting and children’s organisations and NGOs, campaign for the recognition of the fact that any form of violence – even “light” – experienced in childhood has harmful consequences.

Another group, led by controversial psychologist Caroline Goldman, advocates for ‘old style’ parental authority and defends the right of adults to maintain certain punishments such as the ‘time out’. 

“No scientific study describes as harmful the fact of sending a child to their room,” she argues.

In the middle, there’s everyone else, including parents.

“They are lost. For a long time, sending a child to his or her room was seen as a good way to calm [both] child and adult down and stop the conflict. Now, this method seems to be disavowed,” child psychiatrist Patrick Ben Soussan told Le Parisien recently.

So what is the official line on parenting in France?

Well smacking is out. France finally formally outlawed corporal punishment of children in 2019, when the parental smack – la fessée – was banned. It has been written into the Civil Code and read out to couples when they exchange their marital vows. 

The law took effect, three years after the UN had said it must “explicitly prohibit” all forms of corporal punishment of children but had in reality been on the decline for years in France, as elsewhere.

All new parents are sent a letter from the government, outlining the ‘contract’ between family and state – parents raise their children to the best of their abilities and the state provides the schools, healthcare, leisure services and parks that will help with that.

Schools

Schools in France are notorious for box-tick teaching. Children who don’t conform to accepted ‘norms’ are likely to find their school years more difficult in mainstream education. Things are, slowly, improving, as the country belatedly starts getting to grips with neurodiversity, including autism, but pupils who prefer to study sports or music (for example) may spend a lot of time being bored as they learn maths and French.

And, while many teachers will happily discuss a child’s progress with parents, don’t imagine that all of them will readily amend their methods for a single pupil with particular needs. And while a child is at school, they operate under school rules, some of which may seem somewhat arbitrary.

But outside the official sphere, things are more varied when it comes to how French parents raise their kids.

Restaurants

One of the most frequent observations on French children – often delivered by astonished non-French parents just back from holiday – is about restaurants.

They discuss, in disbelieving tones, small humans sitting quietly, speaking when spoken to, eating child-sized portions of adult meals, while their own children lobbed their lasagne on the floor and ran amok between tables.

Occasionally, you may hear tell of the telling off that followed a French child stepping out of line.

Thing is, those restaurant moments are a snapshot, and not an incredibly accurate one, for both French and non-French parents.

Wait until you’ve spent two hours at a children’s birthday party surrounded by enfants jacked up on sugar and colourants – sweets and high-saccharine juice is all they consume – and you’ll soon change your view.

At such events, parents of invitees routinely ‘kiss and fly’ ahead of a happy couple of child-free hours, leaving the hapless birthday parents to corral a pack of hyped-up kids as best they can.

That, in turn, generally means shrugging shoulders, and letting them fly. As long as nothing and no-one is too badly damaged at the end of it all, adults are generally happy and the children are usually exhausted as they come down from the sugar high.

There’s an unwritten covenant between parents and their children in France. Behave at more ‘adult’ gatherings, such as grandma’s birthday celebrations at the posh restaurant, and the children’s parties are yours to do as you will.

Mealtimes at home

In France, children tend to eat the evening meal between 7pm and 8pm. With their parents.

It’s considered a family occasion, a chance to catch up with each other on the day, and may go some way to explain those restaurant manners. It also explains the importance of the small snack – the goûter – at around 4pm.

Bedtimes

As a result of the later evening meal, bedtimes in France are, routinely, later than numerous other nations. This is not about letting children stay up past their bedtime on a school night, or necessarily being unable to get them to go to bed (though episodes of the French version of reality TV show Super Nanny reveal this does happen in France, too) – it’s simply, mostly, cultural. 

Helicopter parenting

The fact is, and it’s always the case, there’s more nuance to parenting and family life than the debate allows. France has its share of parents who make it look easy, those who are plain bad at it, and everyone else who hopes to be the former and worries about being the latter while doing the best they can in circumstances ranging from the too busy to the too poor.

What you may notice is that – when they’re out – French parents, on the whole, don’t hold with helicopter parenting. It’s very similar to children’s party parenting in that regard. 

They will happily sit and unconcernedly chat with friends while their kids wreak gentle havoc in the immediate vicinity. But don’t make the mistake of thinking this is uncaring or uninterested. It’s most definitely not. 

Other issues play into how successful they may be – it’s easy to appear a ‘perfect parent’ in public when you can cover the costs, for example. But money alone doesn’t make you a good parent… and appearances can be deceiving.

There’s no doubt attitudes towards parenting in France are changing – but those who equate that with a “decline in parenting standards” really should take a hard look at themselves.

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What’s the deal with passport stamping in France?

There are clear guidelines in place about who should have their passport stamped when they enter or leave France - but the letter of the law doesn't always seem to be applied on the ground. Here's what you need to know.

What's the deal with passport stamping in France?

When you pass through a French border control post, officers will check your passport and – in some cases – stamp the date of your entry or exit of the country onto one of the blank pages in the booklet.

Although the system should be clear and simple, it becomes complicated when conflicting information is given on the ground.

Here’s what the rules say, and whether it’s really a problem if your passport is incorrectly stamped.

Who should be stamped?

The purpose of the date stamps for entry and exit is to calculate how long you have been in France, and therefore whether you have overstayed your allowed time – whether that is the time allowed by a short-stay Schengen visa or the visa-free 90-day allowance that certain non-EU nationals benefit from. 

Those people who are exempt from 90-day restrictions should therefore not have their passports stamped.

EU passport – people who have an EU passport should not have it stamped, because they have the right to unlimited stays due to EU freedom of movement.

Dual nationals – people who have passports of both EU and non-EU countries should not be stamped when they are travelling on their EU passport. However, because the passports of dual nationals are not ‘linked’, those travelling on their non-EU passports will be stamped, unless they have other proof of residency.

READ ALSO What are the rules for dual-nationals travelling in France?

French residents – the passports of non-EU citizens who have a residency permit in France (carte de séjour) should not be stamped, because they have the right to stay in France for as long as their permit is valid.

Visa holders – people who have a long-stay visa or a short-stay visitor visa should not be stamped, because they have the right to stay in France for as long as their visa is valid. 

Tourists/visitors – people making short visits to France who do not have a visa should be stamped, with the stamps keeping track of their 90-day allowance. Visitors from nationalities who do not benefit from the 90-day rule (eg Indians) are also stamped.

Travel practicalities

When crossing a French border, you should present your passport along with other documents – visa or carte de séjour – if relevant. Don’t wait for border guards to ask whether you are a resident.

It should be noted that the carte de séjour is not a travel document and cannot be used to cross borders, not even internal Schengen zone borders. The only valid travel documents for entering France are a passport or national ID card. Any other forms of ID – driving licence, residency card etc – cannot be used for travel purposes.

Border problems

While the rules on stamping are simple in theory, many readers of The Local have reported having their passports incorrectly stamped at the border, and this seems to be a particular problem for non-EU nationals who are resident in France.

Travellers are also often given incorrect information by border guards – for example being told that only holders of the post-Brexit Article 50 TUE carte de séjour are exempt from stamping, that all non-EU nationals must have their passports stamped or that only being married to a French national exempts you from stamping.

None of these are correct.

It’s also sometimes the case that people whose passports should be stamped – tourists, visitors and second-home owners who don’t have a visa – do not receive the stamp. For frequent visitors this can be a problem because it looks as though they have had a long stay in France, due to their exit not being recorded.

The system of stamping itself is also a bit haphazard with stamps scattered throughout the passport book in random order, so border guards sometimes make mistakes and miss an entry or exit stamp and therefore think that people have overstayed when they haven’t.

So how much of a problem actually is it if your passport is wrongly stamped?

It’s one thing to know the rules yourself, it’s quite another to have an argument with a border guard, in French, when a long queue is building behind you. Numerous Local readers have reported feeling that they had no choice but to accept a stamp when an implacable guard insisted upon it.

But is this really a problem?

One thing is clear – if you are a resident of France then you have the right to re-enter, and your proof of residency (visa or carte de séjour) takes precedence over any passport stamps. So it’s not a question of being barred from the country – it can, however, be inconvenient as it might lead to delays at the border while your passport record is queried.

Meanwhile people who did not receive correct exit stamps can be incorrectly told that they have over-stayed and even be liable for a fine. 

Will the new EES passport control system improve this?

Theoretically, the EU’s new Entry & Exit System – which does away with the manual stamping of passports – should get rid of these problems.

However, as we have seen, theory and what actually happens on the ground are two different things.

The EES system, due to come into effect later this year, brings in two main changes – it makes passport checks more secure by adding diometric data such as fingerprints and facial scans and it does away with manual stamping of passports and replaces it with scans which automatically calculate how long people have been in France.

You can read full details of how it works HERE

So that should eliminate the problems of unclear stamps, stamps being read wrongly or passports not getting the stamps they need.

Residents in France – carte de séjour and visa holders – are not required to complete EES checks and should have a separate system at ports, airports and railway terminals.

However, at present it’s pretty common for border guards to give incorrect information to non-EU residents who are resident in the EU – let’s hope that they are properly briefed before EES is deployed.

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