How is the Omicron wave of Covid affecting Germany?
Covid infections are rocketing in Germany, but how is the current wave affecting people, and what's the picture in hospitals?
Published: 19 January 2022 12:35 CET
The Corona-Warn app shows a red Covid alert. Photo: picture alliance/dpa | Kira Hofmann
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Well with the data showing hospitalisation going down.
Is there evidence of the 90% un-vaccinated? What is classed as unvaccinated?
How many of the hospitalisation group are in for other ailments and just so happen to have covid?
Can we start discussing living with the virus now? Not hiding behind our sofas and alienating portions of our society. But actually getting on.
I think its time we admit none of these measures have done anything to stop covid its been an abject failure from the start.
Amen to that.
The measures haven’t stopped covid – they have significantly reduced its effects.
I think you’ve missed my point a little. There is no evidence that the restrictions have done anything. There is however evidence that restrictions appear to actually make things worse.
We can look at England and Scotland.
Scotland had way more restrictions than England. Scotland suffered higher cases.
France has absolutely abhorrent restrictions. Has way higher numbers.
England are about to remove all restrictions their numbers are going down.
We can only conclude the evidence is overwhelming that restrictions have not worked. The fear propaganda, while immensely successful. Could have lead to extra deaths. Possibly more than covid.
All data is available on corona virus data.gov. world in numbers and our world data. If I post links my posts tend to be moderated
Statistical data can be (and is) used to “prove” practically any “result”, either one way or the other.
I didn’t miss your point, it’s as valid as any other.
Restrictions in Germany seem to have worked quite well up to now.
France obviously suffered from the wind blowing in the wrong direction . . .
Data can be used to prove any result. I would usually agree, but from German numbers I have been unable to prove that the restrictions have worked. Possibly slowed down the first wave. But that could also have been from peoples self control.
I am staunchly against lockdowns and restrictions if it wasn’t at all obvious. The government dictats. The fear. People recoil away if you’ve not go enough masks on. (Aparently more than one is needed?) <this happened to me today. In Berlin. It was tragic.
I am a firm believer that we should give information out in a calm and sensible manner. Allowing people to make their own decisions on what best way to protect themselves. No stranger should ever be allowed to demand to know your health status. And to "other " people is going a very dark way.
Vaccine mandates have been shown to actually cause more reluctance than to not have them.
(Study carried out with an MMR mandate in the UK)
In particular to this vaccine. We could increase uptake.
Make the Phama companies liable.
Release up to date data. (Not 55years from pfizer.)
Show the contracts un redacted (maybe block the prices).
And not vilify people who are unsure.
Although that probably wouldn't work anymore because of the way people that have not been jabbed so far have been treated. And the way the double jabbed are being treated. Well, anyone without a booster.
Well, we could bang on about this for ever and a day. I’ll continue to follow the science, from numerous sources. As it happens, I’m against following any rules that I disagree with, but needs must.
That we could. But for yours and our sakes. Dont follow it blindly. The government have been non stop incorrect.
“One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.