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Readers’ tips: How to create the perfect Thanksgiving in France

For many Americans, the fourth Thursday in November - aka Thanksgiving - is the most important holiday in their cultural calendar, but finding everything you need for the perfect celebration in France can be a challenge. Readers of The Local share some tips.

Readers' tips: How to create the perfect Thanksgiving in France
A turkey is prepared in Los Angeles, California. (Photo by Brandon Bell / GETTY IMAGES NORTH AMERICA / Getty Images via AFP)

Thanksgiving is, naturally, not an event that the French mark, and although there are a few restaurants in Paris that hold special dinners, these usually get booked up months in advance.

That means for most Americans, it’s a home-made Thanksgiving. You might have to miss out on watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade and American football on TV (not to mention the public holiday), but it’s still possible to create your own special day. 

We asked our American readers for their tips on creating the perfect Thanksgiving when they are a long way from US stores.

Everyone agreed that the key thing is advance planning – stores in France won’t stock up on Thanksgiving items and some of the things you want may be hard to find, so you need to get organised.

In terms of cooking, there are some items that are hard to find in France, but alternatives are usually available, although you’re likely to be doing more cooking from scratch.

Turkey

The centrepiece of the traditional Thanksgiving dinner is of course a turkey. 

Remember that the French for turkey is une dinde – not le dindon as that applies to the living animal. They are available in France but farmers are mostly aiming at the Christmas market, so if you want a big turkey for Thanksgiving you will need to order it in advance from your butcher (at least one week or so).

You can also try larger supermarkets, like Costco, but your butcher is a safer bet.

Reader Chris told us: “It is unlikely that you will be able to walk in and find a turkey.

“They’re bred to be ready for Christmas so you need to order in advance. They will be small (around 4 kilo) for the same reason as above.”

If you didn’t order your turkey in time, or you just fancy a change, French butchers are well stocked with alternative poultry – try a pintande (guinea fowl) or oie (goose) or a farm-reared chicken (poulet d’élevage). 

French poultry is usually not bred to be massive – farmers say it kills the flavour – so if you’re having a lot of guests you will probably need several birds.

Pumpkin pie

This classic dessert is not a particular favourite in France, so if you want one you’re probably going to have to make it.

Canned pumpkins are not easy to find, but you usually can order them online (on Amazon.fr, for example). You might also want to check to see if you are located near an American grocery store. In Paris, you might test out the ‘Real McCoy’ store in the 7th arrondissement.

You can also consider making your own. Pumpkins and squashes are very much in season in November so French markets and supermarkets will be full of them – then all you have to do is peel, bake and purée the pumpkins yourself, before you start on the pie. You can find a sample recipe here.

If all that sounds a bit too much like hard work, be aware that in many cities there are private cooks and catering services who will bake whatever desserts or pies you want, and probably deliver them too, in exchange of course for a fee. One example is Nadege’s Cakes, more info here.

Many of these are located around the capital area, and some offer full Thanksgiving meals. 

Trimmings 

Likewise most of the trimmings of your dinner will be available in France, but probably not all in the same place. You might consider trying the international section in large chains, like Auchan. If you live near Paris, the ‘Grand Épicerie‘ often has a large selection of typically ‘American’ items.

Yams (or sweet potatoes as they’re sometimes known – patate douce in French) are available from bigger supermarkets and in some markets, especially in areas with a large African population. If you want them candied, you’re going to have to add your own sweet treats.

Likewise corn is available, usually whole and on the cob rather than creamed, from supermarkets and markets.

Cranberry (canneberges in French) sauce is hard to find ready-made, but fresh cranberries can be bought at bigger markets in the winter so you can make your own sauce. Recently, Picard has begun selling bagged frozen cranberries.

In short, if you’re expecting to run down to the market the day before and grab everything you need for your Thanksgiving dinner, then you’re likely to be disappointed – although many readers told us that ingredients are easier to find than they used to be.

Reader ChrisInParis responded to The Local on Twitter. He said: “Unlike in the past, it’s now fairly easy to buy everything you need, though count on paying a lot (€80) for a turkey. Sweet potatoes used to mostly only at Château Rouge markets but are everywhere. Even cranberries are easy to find. Expensive but overall quality is higher here.”

Cooking tips

You’re likely to be doing a lot of cooking to make all those things from scratch, so several readers recommended some handy websites.

Tish Devling described Alex French Guy Cooking’s Thanksgiving prep timeline and recipe sources for nine dishes as “pretty epic”. 

While Gina Dellilios recommended food publication Bon Appetit which has a selection of articles covering various aspects of Thanksgiving from the meal from how to produce the perfect brussels sprouts to Thanksgiving cocktails and, of course, the turkey

You might also consider the Paris-based American chef, David Lebovitz, who often recommends restaurants and recipes for people living or visiting France. 

However even with the best intentions, if you’re living in a small apartment, the cooking itself can be tough. 

One American living in France said that with this in mind, with all the baking and roasting that awaits you, you might want to ask a friendly neighbour – preferably one who has been invited to dinner – if you can rent out or borrow their oven for the day.

Decorations

And let’s not forget about the decorations. 

Getting hold of those may be even more difficult than getting hold of some of the more traditional foodstuffs but don’t worry, there are lots of websites with ideas for how to make them at home – and if you have kids, no doubt they’d love to get involved in this side of the preparations. Again, you can also order these online too.

READ MORE: A guide for how to enjoy fall in France for homesick Americans

For more general (non-Thanksgiving specific) autumn-style decor, you could try out HEMA, which often has birthday banners, balloons and small string-lights.

Family Day

Thanksgiving is not a holiday in France so on the day itself you’re likely to be working while the kids are in school. Some Americans in France go the whole hog and book a day’s holiday, while others just celebrate Thanksgiving at the weekend – and some do both, taking the opportunity to have a double celebration with family and then with friends. 

For Americans who have children in France, Thanksgiving provides the perfect chance to introduce them to an American tradition.

“As a father it has become important. A way to show my son a bit of good old America,” Jeff Steiner, who leads the group Americans in France, previously told The Local.

But if after reading this, you think going the whole hog and creating a traditional Thanksgiving in France is just too much effort, you could always keep the most important elements – gathering loved ones together for food and drink – and ditch the turkey.

“Just throw a dinner party and call it Thanksgiving,” said Sarah Schmidt.  

And remember – it’s being surrounded by people you love that makes a successful Thanksgiving, not having the perfect pumpkin pie.

French vocab

Une dinde – a turkey

Les patates douces – sweet potatoes/yams

Une citrouille – a pumpkin

Les canneberges – cranberries

Le maïs – corn (the ï accent over the i means it is pronounced may-eese)

Member comments

  1. I don’t live in Paris, I live in the Gard. It is far more difficult to find cranberries and can pumpkin here. But why not order the spices and buy a pumpkin? It is like a treasure hunt, to find all f the missing items one needs for a great Thanksgiving. The most important ingredient is the people! We will have a ball. Dinde and all!

    1. We live in the Vaucluse, so the search for American-style ingredients is not easy. We discovered the website myamericanmarket.com which has both Ocean Spray Cranberry Sauce (canned) as well as Libby’s Canned Pumpkin. If you are cooking-challenged, as I am, they also carry StoveTop Stuffing! Ikea has a lingonberry jam, which is very good and we find the flavor is quite similar to the taste of cranberry sauce.

  2. Yams sometimes known as sweet potatoes? That’s backwards. Sweet potatoes are sometimes erroneously referred to as yams > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_(vegetable)

    Also, canned pumpkin is more akin to butternut squash. Fresh butternut squash is readily available at our Saturday bio market on the Blvd des Batignolles and does make an excellent pie. Read more here > https://www.southernliving.com/food/veggies/squash/pumpkin/what-is-canned-pumpkin

    We often do a braised turkey parts recipe in lieu of a whole bird. It’s much easier to get turkey legs and breasts at the butcher if you’ve not planned ahead.

  3. In our village, turkeys are totally reserved for Christmas. You might have to drive closer to Lyon to find a butcher who has one. Fortunately we have gotten to know a local farmer. We ALWAYS order our turkey in JULY. I pick it up two days before our dinner.. They are the freshest most delicious turkeys we’ve ever had. Hint, the turkey was alive the day before I got it.

  4. Our longstanding Paris tradition: Invite American friends who bring a dish from their own tradition. Our butcher roasts the bird, stuffed with my stuffing I’ve brought the day before. Once everyone has arrived we send a delegation to fetch the bird, which arrives triumphantly! Back in the ’90s we had two couples who met at different Thanksgivings chez nous, who then married, we’re all still good friends!

  5. Costco has turkeys (raised in France) available now according to their website advertising. Unfortunately, there are only 2 locations in France, both in suburbs outside Paris. Well worth the excursion and membership fee, especially for families and group purchases. Bonus: After you spend €€€s on all the great stuff, you can get the same all beef extra-long hotdogs plus a drink for €1.50 as in the US.

  6. Costco has turkeys (raised in France) available now according to their website advertising. Unfortunately, there are only 2 locations in France, both in suburbs outside Paris. Well worth the excursion and membership fee, especially for families and group purchases. Bonus: After you spend €€€s on all the great stuff, you can get the same all beef extra-long hotdogs plus a drink for €1.50 as in the US.

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READER INSIGHTS

‘We moved here for the healthcare’: How foreigners view France’s social model

As France mulls cuts to some services to reduce the country’s deficit, readers reveal their experiences of health and social care here.

'We moved here for the healthcare': How foreigners view France's social model

From free taxi rides for patients to state grants for holidays and concert tickets, via a robust system of benefits and healthcare, the French social model – funded by taxes – has long been renowned as a generous one.

But finance minister Bruno Le Maire has indicated that some services will need to be cut as the French deficit is high and steadily rising.

So we asked our readers – is France’s social model really too generous? Or does it serve the people who live here well, in exchange for their hefty tax contributions?

Healthcare

We started off by asking people about their experiences of French healthcare, and whether they believe any changes should be made.

Overall, people were very positive about the French health system with most saying they had had good experiences and several people expressing gratitude for French medics who had saved their lives.

Pamela, from Bayeux, wrote that French benefits and healthcare services are, “Excellent”. “I pay a lot of tax and cotistations,” she wrote, “I feel like I get a fair return on this.”

Liz Barclay, who lives in Aveyron, wrote that an American friend’s six-day hospital stay and surgery following a heart attack cost around €11,000 in France compared to around $250,000 in USA. The care the friend received was ‘highly praised’ by an American cardiologist, she wrote.

She added that, “Regular doctor visits at €25 or even €30 seem very cheap.”

In fact, the general consensus among the responses is that care and services are mostly excellent – Alphonse Thompson went so far as to say it was: “Excellent, humane and a model for the Anglophone world”.

And Eric Stillwell, from Lot, said: “We moved here for the healthcare and believe it should be the model for more countries.”

D Packman, in Paris, wrote about the “Quality services, reasonable costs” of social and healthcare services in France.

READ ALSO How to get a carte vitale in France and why you need one

American Amy Freeman said: “I have used the system three or four times. I love the ease of making appointments and the bills were very low. I have never abused the system or asked for more than I needed. Probably because I am American and am terrified of getting a massive bill. I can’t seem to shake that mentality no matter where I live.”

Social benefits

France’s social benefits are also potentially in line for cuts, especially unemployment benefits, so we asked our readers who had used those services what they thought.

A Var reader pointed out: “[U]nemployment benefits are not unreasonably generous and only available if sufficient working contributions prior to losing a job.”

Richard Romain, who lives in Aude, described the French model as, “socially inclusive and allows people to get into employment”.

He added: “My employer received a grant over five years for employing me as I am disabled. I also got 100 percent grant for adapting my place of work.”

And Andy Parsons, who has lived in Calvados since 2007, said the system was: “Easy and generous. As a full time carer for a three children, one of whom has disabilities, the allowances were generous and the tax breaks enormous.”

But not everyone agreed. Aditya Das, who moved to Lyon from India, was one of a few respondents who felt France’s social model was ‘too generous’. Das argued that “some undeserving people” benefit from a combination of state aid that keeps, “able bodied people from working”.

And A McKnight, from Argenteuil, wrote: “Every area of benefits goes too far – there need to be clear conditions and termination points set in place.”

Carol Schoen, who lives in Strasbourg, argued unemployment payments were too high: “There is too much abuse and not much incentive to get a job … [and] child allowances are too generous and don’t always benefit the children.”

And Ceinwen Reeves Izzard, from Dordogne, said that the model may be weighted against some, pointing out the, “[l]ack of generosity in sick pay for self-employed people who are too ill to work when others get spa treatments on prescriptions”.

Cuts

And finally the million euro question – is there anything that is too generous and should be cut?

While some argued that unemployment benefits are too generous and don’t incentivize work, others looked for savings amid healthcare. 

Reimbursed taxi costs for certain appointments, prescriptions for spa treatments and over-medication were causes for concern.

READ ALSO How to get free transport to medical appointments in France

Most people, however, advocated limiting or means-testing certain services, rather than axing them altogether.

“France could certainly eliminate free taxi rides to appointments for people who can drive themselves or can easily find a ride,” wrote Barclay, an view echoed by Pamela, who added: “It’s more the abuse that bothers me than the existence of the service. I see a lot of Britons living here taking the mickey with it.”

Several readers – especially those living in rural areas – told us they had used the taxi service to travel to vital medical appointments including cancer treatments. 

Several people also flagged up waste when it comes to medication, or just general over-prescribing (and it’s true that the French are among the most highly medicated nations in the world).

Robert Hodge, living in the Vendée, said: “The amount of medication issued by pharmacies needs to be limited to that which is actually prescribed. Two pills a day for six days should be 12 pills and not 20 just because they come in boxes of 10.”

Ceinwen Reeves Izzard added: “They are overly keen to prescribe MRIs, I have had multiple. They oversubscribe medication. I have lots of morphine locked in a safe because the pharmacy wouldn’t take it back.”

Matthew Davison agreed, adding: “The big one is medication. My doctor might prescribe 3 pills a day for 5 days, but the pharmacy will give me the double because that’s the amount in one box. This creates so much waste. I have a cardboard box filled with leftover medicine I didn’t need.”

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