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LIVING IN ITALY

Readers’ views: Is Italy really one of the ‘worst’ countries to move to?

After Italian cities came close to last in yet another survey of expat life around the world, is life as a foreigner here really all that bad? We asked our readers what you thought.

Readers' views: Is Italy really one of the 'worst' countries to move to?
Italy: better to visit than to live in? Photo: Andreas Solaro/AFP

It’s no exaggeration to say that The Local gets emails every single day from people who want to move to Italy.

And it’s clear that all our readers, whether they’re here or not, are fascinated by the country, its language and its people.

So when we published the results of a survey that found international residents rated Italy’s biggest cities poorly for quality of life, employment opportunities, bureaucracy and ease of settling in, we expected to be flooded with messages from readers saying the study had got it wrong.

READ ALSO: Rome and Milan rated two of the world’s ‘worst’ cities to live in

But instead, we saw many of you agreeing.

“I’ve been living in Italy for six years and I still don’t feel settled,” wrote Ella Connolly. “So many things are lacking. It feels like there are no rules and nobody cares about anyone but themselves. Very hard to live here.”

“The country is falling apart,” another reader put it more bluntly. “It’s no longer amusing that Italians have their own pace. This is the 21st century. The excuses are no longer acceptable. Nothing functions correctly.”

Corruption, Kafka-esque bureaucracy, an inefficient tax system, woeful public transport, rubbish piled in the streets, flagrant disregard for road rules and difficulty integrating with Italians were some of the top complaints.

And before anyone puts the complaints down to language barriers or cultural differences, it’s not just foreigners who struggle with life in Italy.

“I’m Italian and moved back to Italy after ten years in the UK and even I – despite being familiar with the culture and a native speaker – found it very difficult,” Riccardo Fumagalli told us. 

“Nothing seems to be straightforward and no one seems to know exactly how things are supposed to be done. Bureaucracy is illogic and byzantine and would stop anyone from doing anything.

“This is the place where you still have to personally go to a physical office to get your bills sorted (or send a fax!), or where you might have problems paying by card. And even in cash since the ATMs dispense mostly €50 notes that no shop would happily accept. The working ethic is terrible, people seem to work 12 hours a day while it’s mostly wasting time due to a basic lack of organization which creates a domino effect of ‘being late’.”

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It’s no coincidence that young Italians continue to leave Italy by the tens of thousands, as another Italian reader pointed out.

“I had to move abroad, and in the last few years I saw younger and younger people coming en masse to live to Ireland because they know there is no future for them in Italy… ‘Life of sun and aperitivo’ my ar*e, in Italy there are no such things as regular paid jobs or an efficient tax collection system, so people who cheat and exploit others are wealthy and honest people are despised.

“Catcalling women on the street is considered normal and the level of violence in online exchanges is revolting, not to talk about the widespread racism and nationalism. And I may go on.

“Pasta is good, though. Enjoy.”

It’s important to point out, though, that few of the people who contacted us had only bad things to say about Italy.

Just like in the InterNations survey, where Italy earned good marks for its weather, travel opportunities and language while scoring poorly for work, we heard from our readers that life in Italy is a mixed bag.

Firoozeh Arjmand, who studied at universities in both Rome and Turin and now works in Milan, pointed out that even one of the areas where Italy scored poorly in the survey – education – wasn’t all bad. 

“I have to say the universities are good, not perfect, but they are good and also free. You pay just €3,000 per year, that is eventually nothing,” she told us.

Perhaps in Italy even more than other countries, it depends on where you go. In a place that varies so wildly from region to region, it’s impossible to generalize what life in Italy is like.

“Some areas are still little paradises – in the beautiful small towns life remains wonderful, from food to friendly inhabitants, climate, cultural events. Given pollution and overcrowding (including by mass tourism), life in downtown Rome has declined in quality, even as it has risen in Milan,” wrote Judy Harris, a resident of 50 y

That’s not to say that we didn’t get some of those messages I expected, telling us that the survey must be wrong and their life in Italy is indeed – as one person put it – “great food, wine, weather and stress-free living”.

It was notable that a lot of the most positive comments came from people who had chosen to retire in Italy, which is, as many acknowledged, a privileged position to be in.  

Moving to Italy with independent means saves you from what the InterNations survey said was the very worst thing about life here: working. The majority of its respondents were unhappy with their career prospects, job security or working hours, and nearly a third said their monthly income didn’t cover their expenses.

“During my first year, dear friends left Florence, unable to make a living. They literally ran out of money,” reader Helen Bayley told us. 

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An independent tour guide in Florence, after more than a decade in Italy she finds herself facing a similar dilemma.

“My taxes have become quite high and I can only work so much, to be able to afford tax and ever increasing rents. It has been and still is hard going. I have reached a point, having no partner nor family, of changing my life and moving on…

“Expats who do not stay here year round and thus do not pay tax here and have retirement nest eggs have the pleasure to enjoy all the beauty and dolce vita that Florence and Italy has to offer! For anyone thinking of moving here, do your research, come with some savings, and know it won’t be easy.”

Her story illustrates an important point: while many people assume that Italy’s famed quality of life will make up for the pay cut or mind-numbing paperwork, those things are in fact a part of quality of life, not a separate sum in the equation.

Being surrounded by gorgeous holiday destinations is all very well if you don’t have the time or money to enjoy them, and Italy’s tradition of tight-knit families is a little less charming if you’re a working parent who doesn’t have nonni to hand and needs affordable childcare. And all the sunshine in the world won’t make spending hours filling in forms “stress-free”. 

I suspect one of the reasons Italy consistently comes out badly in this and similar surveys is precisely because people imagine that the much-touted la dolce vita is guaranteed upon arrival.

READ ALSO: OPINION: Why Milan is a much better city to live in than Rome

Some of us move here with romantic expectations and find ourselves disappointed with the reality; and some of us find the rose-tinted visions of Italy sold by tour operators and bought wholesale by holidaymakers getting to grate. (I’ll admit to feeling a certain compulsion to point out the putrefying sacks of rubbish lining the streets to any of my visitors who are unwise enough to tell me that living in Rome “must be just like the movies”.)

Perhaps we’re more given to stating the negatives as a result, whether to warn other dreamy-eyed foreigners preparing to immigrate or simply to vent.

Ultimately, a more accurate picture of our feelings might be the length of time we stay. Nearly a third of people who answered the InterNations survey (32 percent) had lived in Italy for ten years or more; across all the 64 countries they studied, the average was 24 percent.

“Italy has a lot of problems for sure but I’d pick living here every day over my own country (England), not because it’s better but because it suits me, my life and my expectations,” our reader Luke Tait said. “Like any country, some will love it, others will hate it.”

Naturally some people decide that Italy’s not for them and others decide it is. It depends on so many factors that no survey can hope to calculate the likelihood of which category you’ll fall into.

If you’re one of the thousands of people dreaming of moving here one day, do your research, be clear-eyed, and ask yourself: what is most important for me? 

There are no right or wrong answers.

Thanks to everyone who shared their views on this subject, including those not quoted in the article.

This article was originally published in 2019.

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Readers recommend: Eight books you must read to understand Italy

After we published our own recommendations of some of the best books to read for those considering a move to Italy, The Local's readers weighed in with suggestions of your own.

Readers recommend: Eight books you must read to understand Italy

In our previous guide to some of the best books to read before moving to Italy, we asked our readers to get in touch with your recommendations.

A number of you responded with your favourite reads about Italy; here’s what you suggested:

Ciao Bella – Six Take Italy

An anonymous reader describes this as “a delightful book about an Australian radio presenter who takes her husband and four children Bologna for a year which turns into two years (one being Covid).”

Kate Langbroek’s comic memoir “had me laughing and crying,” they write.

A Small Place in Italy

An apt choice for those considering their own rural Italian renovation project, Sam Cross recommends this book by British writer Eric Newby about buying, remodelling and moving into a cottage in the Tuscan countryside.

Cross also recommends Newby’s earlier work, ‘Love and War in the Appennines’, about his time as a British prisoner of war captured in Italy by the Germans in WWII.

READ ALSO: Eight of the best books to read before moving to Italy

Here, the author tells of his escape assisted by local partisans, “including a girl, Wanda, who became his future wife. A beautiful story,” says Cross.

The Italians

The Italians is written by veteran Italy correspondent John Hooper, who formerly wrote for the Guardian and is now the Economist’s Italy and Vatican reporter.

From politics to family traditions and the Mafia, the book tackles a range of aspects of Italian history and culture without getting lost in the weeds.

Simone in Rome describes it as “the best single volume on Italian customs and culture there is”.

READ ALSO: Nine things to expect if you move to rural Italy

Venice

It may be more than six decades old, but Jan Morris’s Venice is still considered one of the definitive English-language works on the lagoon city.

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A woman reads a book in Venice’s famous Acqua Alta library. Photo by Clay Banks on Unsplash

Though a work of non-fiction, the book has been compared to Waugh’s Brideshead Revisited for its nostalgic, evocative tone.

“A personal view, beautifully written,” recommends reader Mary Austern.

Thin Paths

Described as a mix of travel book and memoir, Thin Paths is written by Julia Blackburn, who moved with her husband into a small house in the hills of Liguria in 1999.

Despite arriving with no Italian, over time she befriended her elderly neighbours, who took her into their confidence and shared stories of the village’s history under the control of a tyrannical landowner and the outbreak of World War II.

“Write it down for us,” they told her, “because otherwise it will all be lost.”

READ ALSO: Six things foreigners should expect if they live in Rome

In Other Words

If you’re currently learning Italian, consider Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jhumpa Lahiri’s In Other Words / In Altre Parole, which discusses the writer’s journey towards mastery of Italian through full immersion.

Reader Brett says, “The book is written in both Italian and English, presented on opposite pages, so it’s also a nice learning tool!”

Lahiri has since written Racconti Romani, or Roman Tales, a series of short stories set in and around Rome riffing off Alberto Moravia’s 1954 short story collection of the same name.

A Rosie Life in Italy

Ginger Hamilton says she would “highly recommend the ‘A Rosie Life in Italy’ series by Rosie Meleady.”

It’s “the delightfully written true story of an Irish couple’s move to Italy, purchase of a home, the process of rehabbing it, and their life near Lago di Trasimeno.”

The Dark Heart of Italy

Reader William describes The Dark Heart of Italy by Tobias Jones as an “excellent” book.

The product of a three-year journey across the Italy, Jones takes on the darker side of Italian culture, from organised crime to excessive bureaucracy.

Though it was published in 2003, Dark Heart stands the test of time: “twenty-odd years old but the essential truth of it hasn’t changed,” William writes.

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