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From the archive: The Local’s interview with Margot Wallström

Interview originally published in 2015: Two months after one of Sweden's biggest diplomatic disputes in decades, foreign minister Margot Wallström is ready to look to the future. In an exclusive interview with The Local, she discusses Sweden's strong stance on the Mediterranean migrant crisis and why she wants the UK to remain in the EU.

From the archive: The Local's interview with Margot Wallström
Sweden's foreign minister Margot Wallström. Photo: Janerik Henriksson/TT

Smiley, friendly and appearing to be completely relaxed, Margot Wallström apologizes in case she falls asleep halfway through the interview, explaining: “I've just taken my allergy tablets”.

Sweden's foreign minister then rushes to clear her cluttered desk.

“Look at this mess, bags and stuff. People are going to wonder what we are doing here,” she laughs.

It is a huge contrast to the well-rehearsed stage show so often performed by media-savvy politicians. Wallström does not just come across as genuine, she even seems nice. Hard to believe that this is the same minister who in March sparked one of the most public crises Sweden has experienced in recent times.

We meet just over two months after Saudi Arabia abruptly cut all diplomatic and business ties to Sweden in a much-publicized row. The media frenzy has since died down and relations between the two countries have more or less returned to normal.

“I think it's good that we're back to normal bilateral and diplomatic connections to Saudi Arabia,” says Wallström.

“What's important to think about, however, is what exactly makes the Saudi reaction so strong and why it is that even statements on democracy and human rights prompt such a strong reaction. Indeed, I actually think that this is the important analysis,” she adds.

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To cut a long story short: Saudi Arabia blocked Wallström from speaking at an Arab League summit and recalled its ambassador from Stockholm in mid-March, citing critical comments she had made about human rights in the conservative kingdom. Among other things she had referred to the punishment inflicted on regime-critical blogger Raif Badawi – 10 years in jail and 1,000 lashes – as “medieval”. At around the same time, Sweden cancelled a long-standing military cooperation deal between the two countries, which in turn prompted Saudi Arabia to freeze all Swedish business visas to the Gulf nation.

Wallström's comments were always sure to be controversial in Saudi Arabia, but what suprised many foreign spectators was the storm they ripped up in Sweden – a nation with strong focus on promoting human rights.

Suddenly the politician found herself accused of letting her feminist foreign policy ideals clash with the demands of realpolitik, with several powerful businesspeople claiming she was jeopardizing Sweden's trade relations with the Arab world.

“It's important that you stand up for what you believe in, even when it costs you,” she says.

“I think there's a double standard among many who criticized me. They say that 'yes, sure, we'll stand up for democracy and human rights, but it must not cost us anything.' And yes, one could actually wish for a clearer stance from those who at least in words say they want to support my position.”


Margot Wallström quickly tidies up her desk during the interview. Photo: Emma Löfgren/The Local

In many ways, Wallström is a career politician. Born in Skellefteå in northern Sweden in 1954, she was elected to parliament at the age of 25. The former European Union commissioner has been in charge of a number of different ministerial portfolios on home turf and also served as the first United Nations Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict.

On Thursday this week she was appointed to another UN top job, as an expert on Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's high-level expert panel on humanitarian financing.

The busy minister says the only place where she is able to find true solace is in the rural Värmland region in western Sweden where her family lives.

“I'm probably bad at the work/life balance. But I am lucky enough to be able to go home to Värmland every now and then at weekends and then it is like I enter into a completely different rhythm, where I can be completely at peace, relax and catch up with myself. But otherwise you're obviously always a minister, you're always politically responsible and you're always on duty. But I've got used to living that way,” she says.

Despite being one of the heavyweights in the Social Democrat party and one of Sweden's most popular politicians, Wallström has consistently refused to take over the top office. Her heart has always been in foreign policy, not the nitty-gritty of domestic affairs, and she says she finds the ongoing debate about the United Kingdom's coming in/out referendum on the European Union “sad”.

“Britain needs to decide for itself what it wants to do. But it is very important to the EU. And to Sweden it has been a partner nation on very many issues – everything from free trade to social issues and other things – so we would of course miss them, and it would be, I think, a very serious blow to the entire EU if they were to leave.”

READ ALSO: Will UK election force Brits from Sweden?

She will, however, not comment on how a potential British exit would affect relations between by-and-large EU-friendly Sweden and the island nation.

“I don't even want to speculate on that. It feels very unthinkable to even speculate. I think that, at least judging by some of the public opinion polls, it feels as if the tide has turned somewhat recently, that people have understood that having access to the European market is an asset – that the UK has plenty of reasons to stay in the union, particularly for trade and economic reasons.”

“Unfortunately, I have also seen that the media picture has been very, very negative in the UK in a way that has raised some eyebrows elsewhere – that you can claim almost anything unopposed and that is sad. We have to hope that there will be a more nuanced debate.”


UK Prime Minister David Cameron has pledged a vote on the EU. Photo: AP Photo/Matt Dunham

In the meantime she is focused on another issue sharply dividing the EU: the Mediterranean migrant crisis. More than 1,800 refugees are thought to have drowned so far this year in what has been labelled the Sea of Death, trying to cross from Libya to Italy to find a safe haven in Europe.

Sweden welcomed more than 81,410 asylum cases between March 2014 and March 2015, by far the most per capita in the EU. Germany processed the greatest number in real terms: 247,635. By contrast, the United Kingdom dealt with 29,340, while the figure for the Netherlands was 23,780. 

While the Nordic country has long favoured imposing binding migrant quotas on EU member states, as proposed by the Commission last week, other countries have said they will do all in their power to fight them.

Wallström herself will not be drawn on who she thinks should take in more asylum seekers (“I don't want to do any naming and shaming”), but she certainly believes it is high time for other countries to step up to the plate.

“You can look at the figures yourself. They are distributed very unevenly,” she says.

READ ALSO: “Swedes will compare this to the Holocaust”

The Mediterranean crisis has been called, by Wallström herself and many others, the worst tragedy since the Second World War. When asked if she is able to understand her foreign minister colleagues when they oppose opening their borders to those fleeing war and devastation, she goes silent before she sighs, appearing to choose her words very carefully:

“I can obviously understand how the discussion goes. That you don't want to, that you think they should stay where they are – and you also see how many xenophobic parties argue that 'we must help them at home' and all that,” she says.

“But I think it's about slowly but surely understanding what has changed in our surroundings, that we have so many people fleeing, that the pressure is so huge today and that never before have we been so directly affected by the crises deepening in Syria, Iraq, Yemen or elsewhere,” she adds.


Refugees being helped ashore in Italy. Photo: Carl Osmond / British Royal Navy via AP

Meanwhile, Sweden continues to prepare itself for new arrivals. Fifteen thousand more asylum places are expected to be needed in the Nordic country this year. To cope with the increasing flow of refugees, the Swedish Migration Board announced in March that is has more than tripled the maximum number of residents allowed at each asylum centre in the nation from 200 to 650.

Some of Wallström's fellow foreign ministers have instead suggested that this is an issue best fought with stick rather than carrot. And on Monday, May 18th, the European Council agreed to establish a military presence in the Mediterranean, to find and break cartels of human smugglers and traffickers of refugees across the sea.

“You cannot say that you should do one or the other. Of course you have to work on all fronts. But where should people go? What if we lived in a war zone? We would also want to flee somewhere safe with our children, or try to secure a future elsewhere. It has to do with whether or not we are serious in the EU about our guiding principles – this will affect our credibility,” says Wallström.

She will have the chance to debate the idea with her fellow EU colleagues when the foreign ministers meet in Brussels on June 25th. But once again Sweden may be faced with a choice between pushing its reputation as the world's great moral power and taking  a more pragmatic approach.

Sweden's foreign minister says she understands that many challenges lie ahead, but insists that she will push for what she believes in, even if that leaves her exposed again.

“But it's like this: I really am a very happy person who can say that however hard it may be, however challenging it may be, I have an important and meaningful job. To think that I get to look forward to every day with anticipation and think that what I do has a meaning, it matters what you do. That's an incredibly important thing to keep with you,” she smiles.

IMMIGRATION

Border centres and ‘safe’ states: The EU’s major asylum changes explained

UPDATE: The EU parliament has adopted a sweeping reform of Europe's asylum policies that will both harden border procedures and force all the bloc's 27 nations to share responsibility.

Border centres and 'safe' states: The EU's major asylum changes explained

The parliament’s main political groups overcame opposition from far-right and far-left parties to pass the new migration and asylum pact — enshrining a difficult overhaul nearly a decade in the making.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen hailed the vote, saying it will “secure European borders… while ensuring the protection of the fundamental rights” of migrants.

“We must be the ones to decide who comes to the European Union and under what circumstances, and not the smugglers and traffickers,” she said.

EU governments — a majority of which previously approved the pact — also welcomed its adoption.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Greece’s migration minister, Dimitris Kairidis, both called it “historic”.

French President Emmanuel Macron said Europe was acting “effectively and humanely” while Italian Interior Minister Matteo Piantedosi hailed what he termed “the best possible compromise”.

But there was dissent when Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban derided the reform as “another nail in the coffin of the European Union”.

“Unity is dead, secure borders are no more. Hungary will never give in to the mass migration frenzy! We need a change in Brussels in order to Stop Migration!” Orban said in a post on social media platform X.

For very different reasons, migrant charities also slammed the pact, which includes building border centres to hold asylum-seekers and sending some to outside “safe” countries.

Amnesty International said the EU was “shamefully” backing a deal “they know will lead to greater human suffering” while the Red Cross federation urged member states “to guarantee humane conditions for asylum seekers and migrants affected”.

The vote itself was initially disrupted by protesters yelling: “The pact kills — vote no!”, while dozens of demonstrators outside the parliament building in Brussels held up placards with slogans decrying the reform.

The parliament’s far-left grouping, which maintains that the reforms are incompatible with Europe’s commitment to upholding human rights, said it was a “dark day”.

It was “a pact with the devil,” said Damien Careme, a lawmaker from the Greens group.

Border centres

As well as Orban, other far-right lawmakers also opposed the passage of the 10 laws making up the pact as insufficient to stop irregular migrants they accuse of spreading insecurity and threatening to “submerge” European identity.

Marine Le Pen, the figurehead of France’s far-right National Rally, complained the changes would give “legal impunity to NGOs complicit with smugglers”.

She and her party’s leader who sits in the European Parliament, Jordan Bardella, said they would seek to overturn the reform after EU elections in June, which are tipped to boost far-right numbers in the legislature.

The pact’s measures are due to come into force in 2026, after the European Commission first sets out how it would be implemented.

New border centres would hold irregular migrants while their asylum requests are vetted. And deportations of those deemed inadmissible would be sped up.

The pact also requires EU countries to take in thousands of asylum-seekers from “frontline” states such as Italy and Greece, or — if they refuse — to provide money or other resources to the under-pressure nations.

Even ahead of Orban’s broadside, his anti-immigration government reaffirmed Hungary would not be taking in any asylum-seekers.

“This new migration pact practically gives the green light to illegal migration to Europe,” Hungary’s Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said before the vote, adding that Budapest “will not allow illegal migrants to set foot here in Hungary”.

‘EU solidarity’

German’s Scholz said on X that the accord stands for “solidarity among European states” and would “finally relieve the burden on those countries that are particularly hard hit”.

One measure particularly criticised by migrant charities is the sending of asylum-seekers to countries outside the EU deemed “safe”, if the migrant has sufficient ties to that country.

The pact resulted from years of arduous negotiations spurred by a massive inflow of irregular migrants in 2015, many from war-torn Syria and Afghanistan.

Under current EU rules, the arrival country bears responsibility for hosting and vetting asylum-seekers and returning those deemed inadmissible. That has put southern frontline states under pressure and fuelled far-right opposition.

A political breakthrough came in December when a weighted majority of EU countries backed the reforms — overcoming opposition from Hungary and Poland.

In parallel with the reform, the EU has been multiplying the same sort of deal it struck with Turkey in 2016 to stem migratory flows.

It has reached accords with Tunisia and, most recently, Egypt that are portrayed as broader cooperation arrangements. Many lawmakers have, however, criticised the deals.

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