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INTERVIEW: BILL MAHER

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‘Do the Swedes know what Cheetos are?’

Funny, intelligent and highly controversial, US comedian and talkshow host Bill Maher has won himself fans and enemies alike on both sides of the pond. Here, he tells The Local's Emma Löfgren how he thinks his particular brand of telling-it-like-he-sees-it comedy will fly when he hits the Swedish stand-up stage next week.

'Do the Swedes know what Cheetos are?'
Bill Maher is bringing his stand-up tour to Stockholm. Photo: David Becker/WireImage

“I'm starting off my show in Europe a bit like the Dixie Chicks when they got in trouble a couple of years ago for saying critical things about the Bush regime,” he says, referring to the country-and-western band who were met with intense abuse on home soil for blasting the Iraq invasion in 2003.

The 59-year-old comedian himself pulls no punches. Famously fired from his late-night talk show 'Politically Incorrect' for stating the September 11th attacks of 2001 were not acts of cowardice, he has not stopped mincing his words as host of HBO political talk show 'Real Time with Bill Maher'.

“There's a rule – I don't know where it comes from or if anyone wrote it down – as an American you're not supposed to talk badly about your country. You can criticize it when you're in America, but when you go abroad you're supposed to talk about how great it is,” he says.

“Now, I'm not going to do that [in Sweden], because my whole act is to talk shit about America.”

Maher's tour kicks off in Amsterdam on Wednesday this week and will hit the Göta Lejon theatre in Stockholm on Tuesday, May 26th, followed by a stop in Oslo the next day.

“If you're an American comedian you can't speak other languages well enough to perform in them, so we look for countries that are completely fluent in English. But I'm already starting off feeling guilty because I thought it's rude to go to another country and not speak their languages,” says Maher.

He reveals he has been working on the material for the tour – his first ever in Europe – for “months and months and months” to make sure he brings out the laughs.

“I have a contact in each of the countries I'm visiting, and I've been emailing people in Amsterdam, Oslo and Stockholm asking questions like 'do they know what Cheetos are?' or 'do they know who Ariana Grande is?' In 95 percent of the cases they emailed back and said 'you're good to go',” he says.

“I'm always nervous that foreign audiences are not going to understand me, but they always confound my expectations and I'm so impressed. Again, it's only the American audience I have a problem with!”

On his talkshow, Maher regularly puts forward Sweden as a shiny beacon of liberal social democracy, and many of his views would be unlikely to cause a stir in the Nordic country: he's a supporter of same-sex marriage, and a strong proponent of animal rights and the fight against global warming.

However, some of the atheist comedian's recent remarks about religion, and Islam in particular, have sparked some tension even in his own left-leaning political circles. A clip in which Hollywood actor Ben Affleck accuses Maher of “gross” and “racist” comments after he describes Islam as “the only religion that acts like the mafia that will kill you if you say the wrong thing” went viral last year.

In the Scandinavian country, which prides itself on its tolerance and in many respects political correctness, many of his fans are likely to side with Affleck. So how will the Stockholm crowd react to his stand-up routine?

“I hope it's not a problem, but you never know. That's why I'm doing this tour, to find out. I never think I say anything that's offensive, but other people think I do. To me political correctness is just another way of saying bullshit. The fact that a religion oppresses a lot of people, is not going to make me stop being on the side of the oppressed,” he says.

Maher, who received a Hollywood Walk of Fame star in 2010, grew up in New Jersey in the early 1970s and made his first appearances on US legends Johnny Carson's and David Letterman's shows in 1982. And despite his provocative material, he says his first priority remains his childhood dream to make people laugh.

“I think I just wanted to be a comedian because my father was very funny and it was something that bonded us as a family when mom, dad, my brother and sister would sit in front of the TV and all laugh at the same thing. It was a communal feeling and I wanted to be the person to make everyone laugh,” he says.

“When you get into comedy you have to find what makes you unique in the world and find your voice. I discovered that I was interested in politics and then I just developed that.”

INTERVIEW

‘My song is about resilience’: The Ukrainian in Sweden’s Mello song contest

Maria Sur, 17, arrived in Sweden in March after a journey of hundreds of kilometres through Ukraine and Poland from Zaporizhzhia, her home town. She tells The Local's Yuliia Kyzyk of what she hopes to gain from taking part in the Melodifestivalen song contest.

'My song is about resilience': The Ukrainian in Sweden's Mello song contest

THE LOCAL: After weeks of war, a long journey, and emigration to Sweden, you still found the strength to participate in charity concerts in your first month here in Sweden. Tell us about your journey to Melodifestivalen. 

Maria Sur: The next day after I arrived in Sweden from Ukraine, I started looking for opportunities to work. It was obvious that whining and suffering would not help anyone, so I had to do something that would give me strength and help other people.

Since my passion is singing, I decided to continue working on it. I literally wrote to a lot of popular Swedish singers to find a way of making my dream come true and eventually, one of them helped to take part in my first charity singing festival for Ukraine.

As a result, we collected €8 million to help Ukraine. A few days after the festival, I got spotted by Warner Music Sweden. After a meeting and talk about my goals and skills, we started cooperating with them, and after a few months of hard work, we decided to take part in Melodifestivalen.

Maria Sur had been a participant in Ukraine’s version of The Voice. Photo: Maria Sur
 
Before the start of the Russian invasion, I was already working on a singer career in Ukraine. I took part in national singing competitions, and I was quite successful. It seemed like the best time in my career was approaching. I lived, dreamed, and acted, and then one day someone just came and took it all away. Everything just broke down. And suddenly I found myself in a situation where I needed to start all over again.

Now I live for today. Now I know that no one in the whole world can know what awaits us all tomorrow. Of course, I continue to dream, it helps, but I can no longer plan, or live in illusions. And it’s scary that young people like me think this way. That we live one day at a time.

My first goal at Melodifestivalen is to do a really quality performance that I will be proud of. I want to feel after the performance, “I did everything I could. I did the best I could. It was honest. People felt it.”.

That is more important for me than results. 

Maria Sur on stage in Ukraine’s version of The Voice. Photo: The Voice Ukraine

THE LOCAL: Your song for Melodifestivalen is called “Never give up”. What is the message your song has for listeners?

Maria Sur: “Never give up” is a song about my way, about my personal fight. This is my motto. You have to go forward no matter what. This is about my experience before the war, when I fought for a long time to end up singing on a big stage in Ukraine. And this is about my road now, when despite the war, separation from relatives and home, I still go on. With this message, I want to encourage Ukrainians and everyone in the whole world who needs to know it, to continue fighting on his own path. I don’t want to be pitied or win sympathy. My song is about resilience. My story is sad, but it is about strength.

Maria Sur (centre), surrounded by the team backing her at the Swedish arm of Warner Brothers. Photo: Maria Sur
 

THE LOCAL: Russia’s full-scale invasion caught us Ukrainians sleeping. What were the first weeks of life in the new reality in Ukraine like? And how do you see your journey as a refugee shortly afterwards?

Maria Sur: I remember February 24th clearly. Early in the morning, I had online lessons at school, I was going to go to an English class, and in a few hours it became obvious that the war had started. It was very unexpected for me personally. We hadn’t had any conversations in our family about it before it happened. 

I remember very well how many people I saw panicking, at the same time air raid sirens were sounding continuously and everyone ran to the basement. My family could not believe that all those things were happening. We were convinced that everything would be over in a few days. That is why we didn’t want to leave Ukraine. 

My family always stick together. However, in two weeks it became clear. We must leave my city, Zaporizhzhia. For three days we could not pack for the journey. Whenever we attempted to do it, we sat down and cried. Eventually, Dad stayed at home, and Mom and me were forced to go. 

I remember the train station in my city at that time – huge queues, a lot of people and everyone crying, saying goodbye to each other. The trains were completely packed with children and women. It was impossible to cross the carriage of the train because of the hundreds of people inside.

My city is located in the southeast of Ukraine, so we were evacuated to Poland by travelling almost through the whole of Ukraine. It took a very long time. At the border with Poland, they did not want to let the train pass, because it was completely full of people.

So we were sent back to Lviv, a city in the west of Ukraine. Still, a few days later we got to Poland. Later in March we flew to Sweden to my aunt. 

Maria Sur is interviewed on stage by the Norwegian TV host Fredrik Skavlan. Photo: Zap Group
 

How you have changed in the months that have passed since the war started? 

Maria Sur: I have grown up very quickly. I started to appreciate things that I used to ignore. I started to support my parents and my friends. I look differently at things such as happiness. For instance, I was happy when I got the news that I had been selected for Melodifestivalen. But it was not the same joy as I felt before the war, especially since, five minutes previously, I had talked to my dad, who is now in Ukraine, and told me everything that is happening there now.

Despite everything, we must go on living. If we have this chance to live, we should take everything from it to the maximum. That’s what I’m trying to do, and that’s what I’m singing about.

Today, we must not stop talking about the war in Ukraine, we must continue to organise charity concerts, as well as make music to support people.

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